What is the historical evidence that Jesus Christ lived and died?

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by OddTrader, Apr 14, 2017.

  1. 1. Apparently a lot of discussion related to most if not all of the key words (searchable) that have been covered in the past few years can be useful, imo, without repeating them here again and again.

    2. I think it would take much time to transform from one mindset to another. imo, Jesus as he explained himself was just an ordinary person like everyone else, besides he could be a leading figure (as his firm conviction perhaps after travelling and studying in many places/theories/cultures/religions/etc. - a wise-man indeed) envisioning a challenge against institutional religions.

    3. In Stoicism, God is everything included - Jesus is part of the universe/God. Therefore no conflicts against any conventional religious terms/concepts/theories - as Jesus mainly said he was the son of God. Every human being without exception is a daughter/son of God!!!

    Jesus' original idea I guess was trying to promote and market (much much less than 1/3 of) the Stoicism - a practical philosophy, into a popular daily-life philosophy. That's why it was/has been so successful in human history. He's very very visionary.

    4. In the Gospel of Mary, Jesus didn't accept the term 'Sin' at all, afaik. The kind of Christian Systematic Theology (based on an outdated holy book which was one of the best books in Jesus age, imo) should be critically reviewed and updated to become more practical philosophy, like Stoicism.

    Better just focus on the red letters said personally by Jesus.

    5. I would believe most likely we can have a much better world, peaceful and mindful, when the world is able to truly implement the Jesus' daily-life philosophy.

    Stoicism might be also another missing link, as I see, for the conventional religions to be updated in the future. :D LOL

     
    Last edited: Oct 9, 2017
    #221     Oct 9, 2017
  2. stu

    stu

    Moral Jesus is a double sided coin whose currency demands that serving your fellow man is serving God, but to do otherwise will result in being "cut in sunder".
    Bible Jesus is less than moral, his ethics are more than questionable.
    This Messiah doesn't make morality the focus, to serve people because people matter or because they are human beings just like he was supposed to be. No, he offers a violent Hobson's choice. These so called teachings insert a God who on setting the moral standard that people are to do good to each other, immediately proceeds to degrade it, by declaring the only other option is to get bludgeoned with God's own nightstick.
    It's a lesson on how to assault people to achieve what you want, not to do good unto others for the sake of doing good alone, for its own reward.
    Religion is the act of unnecessarily moving pious belief in front of morality in order to claim it.
    Stoicism no different.
    It's putting on a blindfold to see light when light is already there. Expecting to see what is right, when what is right is already discernible.
    Virtue is its own reward. True morality is morality for its own sake. Filtered through religion, both can only be diminished.
     
    #222     Oct 10, 2017
  3. Looks like a strong opinion from a knowledgeable expert. Very good development! :)
     
    #223     Oct 10, 2017
  4. Lots of evidence of Vikambara yogins nowadays,you can go to India and see them plenty.Vikambara - those folks that wander naked, though alive, they are beyond this world.Why doubt the Jesus existence?He was way moderate.
     
    #224     Oct 10, 2017
  5. Many news nowadays about in India people eat air for living and survive!

     
    #225     Oct 10, 2017
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  6. stu

    stu

    ah but can he bend spoons
     
    #226     Oct 11, 2017
  7. No new thing here : dry fasting ( no eating, no drinking) has been practiced by some Bouddhist monks for a long time.
    Obviously, South East Asian have the quality of discretion.
     
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    #227     Oct 15, 2017
  8. stu

    stu

    .....some unsuccessfully
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    some successfully

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    #228     Oct 15, 2017
  9. Humpy

    Humpy

    I really don't see the point of wandering around naked.
    Is it only for men ?
    What if he gets aroused ?
     
    #229     Oct 29, 2017
  10. ElCubano

    ElCubano

    "The science behind fasting" on Amazon Prime. Eating air and drinking water for 30 days plus has saved many from different ailments/diseases. Don't try it without medical supervision :D
     
    #230     Nov 16, 2017