What is the historical evidence that Jesus Christ lived and died?

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  4. Jesus Would Have Been an Atheist?


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    #14     Apr 17, 2017
  5. Pekelo


    "Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews, written around 93–94 AD, "

    That is 5-6 decades after the alleged events. Hell, some people writing the story of WW2 today, would easily deny the existence of concentration camps, that is what 6 decades do to historical reporting...

    I take the chocolate bunny over Josephus...

    But since we are throwing around Wikilinks:


    What do you think 2000 years of Catholic copying of ancient manuscripts did to original texts?
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  6. jem


    1. but other than the letters in the bible and the other books which are not canon... how many historical books do you think we have from that era.

    Josephus is one of the few books sill around from that era that is not part of the bible or one of the other "religious" letters or text.

    2. regarding changes... that is a good question. They found different manuscripts at different times. They could see if things had changed.

    as I have noted one of the passages in Josephus about Jesus has been disputed because it looks like a clause about Jesus being divine was added. However the other passage about Jesus is virtually undisputed.

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    #16     Apr 18, 2017
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    #18     Apr 18, 2017
  9. stu


    There are very clear principles to be met before the historicity of anyone or providence of anything becomes valid.
    Bible Jesus doesn't meet with a single one of those principles. Not a single one.

    Although the period prior to, during and immediately after the supposed time of Jesus was replete with historical writers, chroniclers and their texts, non contain any mention or evidence for Jesus anywhere within them.

    There is no primary evidence. No contemporaneous record or mention of his life or death, of Christ, nor indeed of Christians or Christianity at all. No eyewitness accounts whatsoever. No other kind of first-hand or independent or corroborating record like there is in every case before historical authenticity can be formalized .
    Bible Jesus fits with myth and legend not fact and reality.

    Jesus is fake news and post truth. The imaginary friend in the room.
    #19     Apr 19, 2017
  10. Problems are an artifact could be fake. Any real record could be destroyed purposely.

    Jesus perhaps was not worth to mentioned in mainstream history until very late stage.

    Besides there were probably (most likely) too many competing preachers/teachers from various religious cults/sects during the era.

    After all, logically Paul should be a key figure, especially he himself once killed believers of Jesus, who were not violent ones with any intention of hurting others. Only because they had a firm conviction of a new belief.

    Of course, that the whole picture/process about Jesus could be a fake news. Which was especially uneasy, when encountering serious objection from the mainstream Judaism believers like Paul.

    However, obviously his teachings/theory surely was a believable/attractive theory to the believers, making them worth to die for the theory.

    imo, the probability of the historical Jesus should not be overly underestimated.

    After all, there would be almost always having an originator named/known for every single religion.

    [​IMG]A bowl, dating to between the late 2nd century B.C. and the early 1st century A.D., is engraved with what may be the world's first known reference to Christ. The engraving reads, "DIA CHRSTOU O GOISTAIS," which has been interpreted to mean either, "by Christ the magician" or, "the magician by Christ."
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    #20     Apr 19, 2017