What is the historical evidence that Jesus Christ lived and died?

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by OddTrader, Apr 14, 2017.

  1. stu

    stu

    "There are no birth records, no trial transcripts, no death certificates; there are no expressions of interest, no heated slanders, no passing references - nothing. In fact, if we broaden our field of concern to the years after his death - even if we include the entire first century of the Common Era - there is not so much as a solitary reference to Jesus in any non-Christian, non-Jewish source of any kind. I should stress that we do have a large number of documents from the time - the writings of poets, philosophers, historians, scientists, and government officials, for example, not to mention the large collection of surviving inscriptions on stone and private letters and legal documents on papyrus. In none of this vast array of surviving writings is Jesus’ name ever so much as mentioned.” Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millennium

    One questionable entry in Josephus following a couple of others already confirmed and generally accepted to be fraudulent, does nothing to help establish Jesus as anything else than an elaborate myth, albeit a persistent one.

    It shouldn't matter. Blind faith can carry belief into suspending reality. But that is not what truth is.

    The insult to human integrity comes at the point where people insist, teach, instruct that Jesus was actually an historical figure and events surrounding the character's story are actually true. That's where it gets very wrong and fundamentally dishonest.
     
    #91     May 1, 2017
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    #92     May 1, 2017
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    I hope he was not that Jesus busted by SEC. LOL Sec of ed Bill Bennet said thank God for the SEC.Jesus is a popular name for boys in Mexico. Jesus Christ, king of kings, was born in Israel+lives in the praises of Israel ,every Bible believing church + synagog,+ every Christian h Amplified Bible[ Thanks;LHK
     
    #93     May 1, 2017
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    #94     May 1, 2017
  5. The wellbeing (More-happiness & Less-unhappiness) they want is important.

    The term they use really doesn't matter.

     
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    #95     May 1, 2017
  6. God has made the world.

    The wellbeing of the world is important.

    It really doesn't matter so much whether the making is called creation/evolution, nor the maker God/Universe/Nature.

    Just 2 cents!
     
    #96     May 1, 2017
  7. jem

    jem

    first of all. you completely misrepresent Josephus.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

    Modern scholarship has almost universally acknowledged the authenticity of the reference to "the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James"[12] and has rejected its being the result of later Christian interpolation.[13][31][1][2][16] Moreover, in comparison with Hegesippus' account of James' death, most scholars consider Josephus' to be the more historically reliable.[29] However, a few scholars question the authenticity of the reference, based on various arguments, but primarily based on the observation that various details in The Jewish War differ from it.[32][33]

    2. I read in the entire world this is only a small bookshelf of documents from that era so the argument that Jesus should have been mentioned makes little sense.

    3. Finally, your argument is illogical. You don't have to believe what scholars say. But if the definition of historical is left to scholars... and the scholars say Jesus is a historical figure he is. Is like figures skating ... you can argue with the judges but you know they determine who gets the gold medal.
    So the only insult to one's integrity is to the integrity of those who attempt deny Jesus is a historical figure.






     
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    #97     May 1, 2017
  8. JSSPMK

    JSSPMK

    Modern history is all twisted to fuck, propaganda has been around ever since people started wiping their butts and you ask about Jesus that lived over 2000 years ago? ;)
     
    #98     May 2, 2017
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  9. It's all about marketing, promotion and publicity.

    Nobody would argue much about Santa's birth certificate and registration, as long as many people just feel happy!

    Why would someone like going to destroy the fun and joy of others, after all! Sometimes, including herself/himself! LOL
     
    #99     May 2, 2017
  10. stu

    stu

    That's a rather strong way of putting it but yeah ok, the twisted to fuck Jesus lived propaganda it is.
     
    #100     May 2, 2017