What is the economic rationale for allowing the Fed to create trillions of dollars out of thin air

Discussion in 'Economics' started by Phill Twist, Sep 15, 2015.

  1. Eventually it's going to end, and it won't be pretty.
     
    #11     Sep 15, 2015
  2. The Fed loves to pat itself on the back for boosting asset prices...but who benefits? The baby boomers in large part have been the primary beneficiaries of three successive bubbles in less than a generation (25 years). Couple the equity bubbles with extremely high real estate prices and you really have a demographic crisis...

    In many ways the best thing that could happen to these recent college grads and the exorbitant cost to entry in both equity markets and real estate is their inheritance. The only problem is that it will be an impossible task to continue to run this "bubble/bust" economy while balancing inflation/deflation/currency risk going forward...7 years of ZIRP reeks of desperation to boost asset prices at all costs...Where is the future demand for overpriced real estate (foreigners were a big source of demand during the last bubble/bust, but now those economies are tanking and the dollar is too strong)...the upcoming generation has too much debt already...
     
    #12     Sep 15, 2015
  3. Avg life of a fiat currency through history is 40 years, we came off the gold standard in 1971. At this point they are just trying to keep the music going for as long as possible before losing complete control. "The free market always gets the final word" even if it takes 40 years or so lol
     
    #13     Sep 15, 2015
  4. Bingo, we got screwed out of a raw deal
     
    #14     Sep 15, 2015
  5. Sig

    Sig

    Source, and once you get that, relevance? The average life of an internet company in 1950 was...oh, there were no internet companies and the world's a much different place than it was in 1950, turns out. Don't really get what we're laughing out loud at really either.
     
    #15     Sep 15, 2015
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  6. panzerman

    panzerman

    The history of economies with fiat currency and a fractional reserve banking system have not generally ended well. A good read about this subject is "The Creature From Jeckyll Island."
     
    #16     Sep 15, 2015
  7. Sig

    Sig

    The western world seems pretty darn successful to me. The U.S. effectively left the gold standard in 1933, meaning it neither stopped the bubble in 1929 nor prevented the worst depression the country ever suffered. Pretty much the entire world is a counter point to the statement "The history of economies with fiat currency and a fractional reserve banking system have not generally ended well."; surely you wouldn't argue that the currencies of the Weimar Republics and Zimbabwes of the world failed because they weren't on the gold standard?
    I'd give the same advice to G. Edward Griffin, author of "The Creature From Jeckyll Island" as I gave to an earlier poster, take a macro econ course. The guy has a BA in speech and communications with no economic background and the 50 pages of his book I made it through reflect that. In addition to this book he has written that cancer is a nutritional deficiency that can be cured with amygdalin, HIV doesn't cause AIDS, 9/11 was a inside plot by the U.S. government...he goes on and on. If you're depending on him for your worldview, then your worldview lacks serious rigor.
     
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    #17     Sep 15, 2015
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  8. panzerman

    panzerman

    To paraphrase W. Churchill "capitalism is about the unequal distribution of the wealth, while socialism is about the equal distribution of the misery."

    So yes, capitalism is the way to go, but the current system in the US is not going to go on like this indefinitely. It is a house of cards. I'm not as conspiratorial as Griffin, but I do think fee banking and a gold/silver/platinum standard would produce a more stable economy. Cycles would still exist, but have less amplitude.
     
    #18     Sep 15, 2015
  9. achilles28

    achilles28

    Inflation is determined by quantity of money and velocity. The consumer, business and financial sector underwent a great deleveraging post crisis which dropped velocity off a cliff. Money was not circulating in the economy. Rather it was used to pay back debt. More loans paid back then made equals shrinking money supply and falling prices on top of it. Fed engaged qe programs to prop asset prices. While saving the banks, they also indirectly buoyed stock markets and real estate which most consumers rely on heavily for investment and retirement.

    This goes against every notion of a free market economy and Keynesian economics. The argument was to prevent the next Great Depression. While it's true, a Great Depression would have ensued, nothing can stop that now. Offshoring has decimated American industry and employment. That gaping hole was replaced with private and public sector debt. Fed is just papering over a fundamental problem that was created a long long time ago.
     
    #19     Sep 15, 2015
  10. There really isn't a whole lot that is new under the sun. Inflation is just a hidden tax, robbing peter to pay paul. Rome debased currency too thousands of years ago. Debasement of currency is corrupt and that is why I am against it. Not sure what internet companies have to do with an inflation discussion. I was laughing in my previous comment because I am in a good mood today. I hope you are too. Have a good evening.
     
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    #20     Sep 15, 2015