What is the "Christian" thing to do?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by OPTIONAL777, Mar 17, 2009.

  1. New England pastor houses child killer, riles town

    By TRAVIS ANDERSEN – 1 hour ago

    CHICHESTER, N.H. (AP) — A pastor in this quiet, picturesque New England town thought he was doing the Christian thing when he took in a convicted child killer who had served his time but had nowhere to go. But some neighbors of the Rev. David Pinckney vehemently disagree, one even threatening to burn his house down after officials could find no one else willing to take 60-year-old Raymond Guay.

    "Politicians think they can dump their trash in our small town," said one neighbor, Jon Morales, whose girlfriend and two children live across an unpaved road from Pinckney's home.

    Chichester, a town of about 2,200 residents in south-central New Hampshire, has been in an uproar since the weekend, when police announced that Guay would spend two months with Pinckney's family.

    About 40 angry residents protested outside the home Saturday, Merrimack County Sheriff Scott Hilliard said. One protester blustered that he wanted to set it on fire, he said.

    Town leaders were expected Tuesday night to ask state and federal officials to remove Guay from town.

    Guay already had a criminal record when he was charged in 1973, at age 25, with abducting and murdering a 12-year-old boy in Nashua. Authorities said he planned to sexually assault the boy, whose body was clad only in socks and undershorts.

    Guay pleaded guilty to second-degree murder and was sentenced to up to 25 years. He kidnapped a Concord couple after briefly escaping from the nearby state prison in 1982 and was sent to a federal prison in California, where he stabbed an inmate in 1991, court records show.

    After 35 years behind bars, he was released in September and ordered to serve his parole in New Hampshire. Guay's release followed a failed attempt by state officials to keep him incarcerated as a dangerous sexual predator under federal law.

    Guay went instead to a halfway house in Connecticut but was returned to New Hampshire last week. Residents of Concord, where Pinckney leads a nondenominational congregation, loudly protested plans to put him there.

    A Concord prison chaplain contacted Pinckney, who agreed to take Guay in after meeting him and clearing it with his wife and four children, ages 13 to 18. Guay is staying there while he looks for a job and place to live.

    Pinckney did not return calls or answer the door when a reporter visited his house, but he assured the town in an open letter published Tuesday that Guay poses no threat.

    "We would not be doing this if we thought we were endangering our town, neighbors or children," he wrote.

    Though Guay "has committed some horrendous crimes in his past," he has been on "a very different course" since a religious transformation in 1993, Pinckney said.

    Pinckney has told Guay he may only leave the house in a car with another adult and can live with the family for no more than two months.

    Town resident Christine Swain, who has children ages 6 and 16, isn't reassured.

    "There's so many kids in this community, and you just fear for them," she said. "You always do what's best for your children."

    Another resident said Monday that she felt Guay deserved a second chance, but she spoke on condition of anonymity because she feared reprisals from neighbors.

    Some outsiders are more forthcoming.

    Conrad Mandsager of Nottingham worked for Prison Fellowship — a faith-based group that helps parolees find jobs — in the 1980s.

    Mandsager said he took in a violent criminal to live with his family of five in 1988. Sentenced for attempted murder and kept in solitary confinement for his role in a prison riot, the man turned his life around while living with Mandsager and working at a job through the Prison Fellowship, Mandsager said.

    He disagrees with Chichester officials who say Guay would do better in a city with more jobs and other resources.

    "You create more opportunities for problems by putting (convicts) in a larger city where there's no accountability," Mandsager said. He expects better results in a home like Pinckney's, "where there's accountability and care and love for the guy."

    Little love for Guay is expected Tuesday evening, when a large crowd is sure to gather for the regular meeting of the town Board of Selectmen.

    Selectman Richard DeBold expects the selectmen to ask state and federal officials to remove Guay — but he stressed that the selectmen have no legal authority in the matter.

    "We have a very small police force with limited resources," DeBold said. "Just knowing those issues, this is not the appropriate place for (Guay)."
     
  2. Please cease your threads and posts about pedophiles. Given your sordid history on the subject, that you continue to do so makes it clearer that you are a very troubled individual who should seek professional help.
     
  3. A friend of mine had a ministry. The guy was really hyper spiritual, prayed for hours and read his Bible daily and never hesitated to talk to people. We would load up people into my Camaro, well load up one or two at best, and take an hour drive to a Black church that had really loud music on Wednesdays. The people we took were homeless guys and people from a half way house. We would pray on the trip and these thoroughly messed up people would learn that they can put their sins on the cross and Jesus would comfort them, most saw visions and could tell us stuff that was very interesting, the ministry was blessed like that. There were a couple of things I learned from that. One, nobody changes over night, these guys could get that experience and couple days later try to kill one of us. We got used to attempts on our lives really, it was part of the ministry. The other thing that I learned was that when we were praying with them there was no condemnation at all, I would normally be very condemning of molesters and killers but in the car, while Jesus was ministering, I had nothing against them at all, they were just needy...

    So is the Pastor an idiot... I'd say so. I doubt his ministry has that much power and even if it did it would take years maybe before some people could be trusted... some it could be an hour, others it could take decades, it's not very predictable imo...
     
  4. Step aside L Ron Hubbard, there is a new pedophile supporter in town.

    Z10, don't forget to pack your toothbrush.


     
  5. "So is the Pastor an idiot... I'd say so."

    "A pastor in this quiet, picturesque New England town thought he was doing the Christian thing when he took in a convicted child killer who had served his time but had nowhere to go."

    What is the "Christian" thing to do?

    Who is to say what is the "Christian" thing to do?

     
  6. Come on John Boy, you can do better than that...

    What is the "Christian" thing to do?

     
  7. I very much doubt that the "Christian thing to do" is for you to continue to bring up the subject of pedophilia given the comments you have made in the past about my children being victims of pedophiles and the latest discovery that you are posting disgusting comments about my kids and then deleting them a short while afterwards.

    You clearly wish to antagonize, bait, and very possibly are not able to help yourself. Your fascination with pedophilia is very disturbing.

    Seek help. Quickly.
     
  8. I can do better but it's a waste of time with you.

    Based on the countless accusations that you rarely deny, I believe you to be a child molester or a sympathizer which is no different in my opinion.

    I'm sure you know the feds are watching you very carefully and if they not, if somebody could please provide me with one of z10's postings I will make sure they are.



     
  9. Please post some stats about crimes against humanity committed by non-christians versus christians who commit them in name of christ ...




    It just may be that all these exceptions you god-damn-idiots post prove the rule
     
  10. You can do better, but you don't.

    How very "American way of life" or in America the "Christian American way of life."

    No need to do better when you are already saved, right?



     
    #10     Mar 18, 2009