thanks. FWIW, i also found out that you can just call Console.Writeline() in any application...here's how to set the parameters for it. it's easy. (from help files): "Windows Forms and the Console Window Our first topic begins with a question. What is the difference between a Windows Forms project and a Console Application project? The somewhat surprising answer is not much. The only real difference is that a Console application sends output to a Console Window, and a Windows Form application doesn't. However, this is only the default behavior. There's no reason a Windows Forms application can't have a console window. Enabling the console window is easy. From Microsoft Visual Studio®, right-click on the project and choose Properties. Change the output type from Windows Application to Console Application. Or, from the command line, use /target:exe instead of /target:winexe. I've found this to be fairly useful when debugging my applications, and it's easy to turn off the console application when you're done. "