What is so difficult about 2018 that cause legendary Einhorn to lost 25% so far?

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by learner88, Sep 10, 2018.

  1. Winton never charged 20% Mgt fees. You probably referred to performance participation?

     
    #11     Sep 11, 2018
  2. smallfil

    smallfil

    We have had the largest bull market in the stockmarket in a while. Trend following should still be profitable for most hedge funds. Of course, it takes them longer to establish a position and then, to exit it later on. That has been the case and has not changed for most hedge funds. I have to research this further as I am curious what returns hedge funds nowadays are making on average and what was it before, using a trend following model.
     
    #12     Sep 11, 2018
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  3. piezoe

    piezoe

    I agree with this completely. I think he may be making a beginner mistake here which is to short a stock because it seems too high, i.e., it seems to be in it's own bubble. Even when these stocks, like Amazon for example, finally correct, and they all will at some point, their price may well have advanced so far that even a 20% correction can't make money for you.

    Shorting is a real skill unless you have inside information. We should only short stocks that are in real trouble, and the problem is that by the time we find out others have also found out. So you have to be very good at seeing serious problems on the horizon before others do. Or just have a fishing buddy on the board.
     
    #13     Sep 11, 2018
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  4. maxpi

    maxpi

    He's short a lot, what's up with that... Einhorn can't believe that Trump could do all the wonderful stuff he's done for the economy and the markets? Peer pressure from rich/famous idiot libs? Another superior introvert that "just can't be wrong" perhaps?

    I really don't give a ratzazz why these geniuses can't win all the time, really don't. I'm just glad they are there because markets need participants.
     
    #14     Sep 11, 2018
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  5. Overnight

    Overnight

    #15     Sep 11, 2018
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  6. Seems like value investing, the style adopted by Einhorn, is facing a serious drawdown today.
     
    #16     Sep 12, 2018
  7. It is interesting to note that trend-following and value investing are suffering a drawdown period since the last 2008 financial crisis. It is a mystery why these 2 proven methods of investing have fallen, at least temporarily.

    What investment styles have made money since 2008? Tech investing is one of them.
     
    #17     Sep 12, 2018
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  8. qxr1011

    qxr1011

    firstly , it is usually (upon closer look) nothing legendary about the wall street legends

    secondly, each method has its limits , and its possible that the current market are beyond the limits of some methods
     
    #18     Sep 12, 2018
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  9. RedDuke

    RedDuke

    Luck is a major component in those massive long term investments.
     
    #19     Sep 12, 2018
  10. If Einhorn can hang on a little longer, he's going to make it all back and more. Guts.
     
    #20     Sep 15, 2018