I posted two charts on this. One was a history flow showing who's who and the chronology of the various emerging theories (there are no hustlers or mavens there) See mpt15e.jpg. The second graphic shows the paths vis a vis a person and his environment. See mpt96.jpg. Three more comments: 1. GG please post the entirety of your nlp message to me and my response. I spent a lot of time on that. And you posting it will help out here. I did pm's vis a vis you and NLP and they will not be posted here. 2. I worked from Ferbruary through August on NLP. 293 pages had interactions between and among traders and myself and between traders. I editied out over 50% of other stuff that was a terrific show of lousy NLP pictures by flamers, lurkers , and crazies. This example makes one simple point. You have to have the pictures to trade. You get the pictures from an external source. It take more time to get pictures than any other aspect of trading. When you foist begin to make money, de facto, you have acquired the minimum sufficiency in pictures. 3. The bad news. I have tested ET vis a vis working with members in forums. You see what the pervasive problems are here viv a vis moderators. As happenstance would have it, the two forums most appropropriate for learning making money have moderators that prevent that. Here I tried one post to a person who made a specific post re their state (NLP). Using some form of something or other, the moderator edited out the substantive content and left in a humous reference indicating he is not read in this field, one I lecture in with a specific focus on training psychiatric faculties in learning and taking risk vis a vis being confident in begining behavioral action to develop skills in areas that are unknown. You can see how I had to deal with the assassination of me contributed by a moderator recently. He is being trained by a team of people at this point to behave. The thread opens the most importent single issue for the well being of traders. Unfortunately the moderator is not up to the task and can be very damaging to people it turns out This is just my 2 cents. I deeply regret that I cannot participate here.
one of the rare times that i actually turned on a TV, who jumped off the screen ?? tony robbins--- a new improved hip version on QVC. he is selling a program called "get the edge". what intriqued me was a 30 page personality profile that comes with the package. has anyone tried this profile ?? thoughts ??? best, surfer
I've done that profile as part of a 2 year long coaching program with one of Tony's coaches. I found it enlightening and scary accurate. I have been told by someone familiar with these tests that the one Tony uses is very similar (if not indeed the same one) to the Minnesota Multi-phasic Inventory. The Get the Edge Program is a bargain, because a personality profile like this can cost upwards of a couple hundred bucks. What I found most useful was the fact the test didn't just reflect what I was like, it directed me in specific ways directly toward improving weak areas or bringing my attention to areas that I've been ignoring. Hope this helps. If you decide to take the test, IMHO spend a few bucks on a trial coaching call. A professional (trained by Tony and staff) will walk you through the results and explain what everything means and how best to use the info. They are thorough and effective at what they do. Bundle
interesing re the profile, I haven't tried that... I do remember taking a quick checklist in one of his books, back in 1994, then re-read it again last year, and it was accurate in predicting my values, how life would turn out based on what I said etc... good stuff... ken
Scientology are specialists for that. In fact they have 4 firms that do management consulting for big firms like Mac Donald - so that you don't wonder any more where the managers at Mac Donald look like zombies haha ! It is also under this kind of promise - making you superior - that they recruit members. I have myself received some training of NLP at engineering school. One example given was: how as a manager you can make someone him feel guilty and fire him. Sorry this is not the kind of philosophy I want to endorse.
While TR may be able to help people become better target shooters it is not like he is the living embodiment of all that he preaches. In fact I would have to call him one very large hypocrite. (His office was in my building and I knew someone who worked for him). Example he changed his girlfriends name to Sage. What was he doing with a Girlfriend should he have been keeping his marriage together with his personal power techniques. So realize he may be able to help you change your life but he probably has your problems and your money. by the way I am sure that NLP probably does embody some truths. After all some people do extraordinary things and I would like to know how they did it. I just am a bit envious of all the money TR has made through cutting edge marketing. Envious may be the wrong word but I do not feel like typing any more.
For the rest of your life remember that every good thing you learn from someone, was taught by an imperfect human. No exceptions! Chris BTW, if TR does have a girlfriend (pure speculation at this point) while being married, then that is truly sad IMO! I have studied and I am a firm believer in the mentalities of General Patton, and he once made a very true statement, "Moral courage is the most valuable and usually the most absent characteristic in men"
I did not mean to imply tr had a girlfriend while he was married. I was alluding to the fact that while he had those tapes out and informercials about the power to make your relationships great he was in the middle of having a bad relationship with his wife. And then when he had a girlfriend he changed her name to Sage. Such utter b.s. was my point. also while we know we must learn from imperfect individuals, when someone is selling us something, you like to see them put it into practice themselves. While a bad golfer could be a good swing coach I prefer to see the instructor work on his own swing, especially now that we have video tape. By the way I stopped charging to train traders when I was no longer pulling down a ton of money. So at least I try not to be a hypocrite. Finally, I do not subscribe to the not be able to judge other people concept. I may not know what god will do but I can attempt to walk a mile in their shoes. So I think that one could judge others by the standards they profess. So if you are preaching about how to have good relationships you should have one yourself. Which is why I was totaly put off by William Bennet preaching about morals and being a big gambler himself. I believe good people can play poker, they just should not set themselves up as morals teachers.