What is conciousness?

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by nitro, Oct 6, 2007.

  1. nitro

    nitro

    A deep question is, is emotion needed for conciousness? I say yes! That is not trivial and probably lies at the heart of all Philosophy.
     
    #51     Sep 20, 2015
  2. nitro

    nitro

    See above. I suspect if you get emotion, you get conciousness as a side effect. Or is it the other way around?
     
    #52     Sep 20, 2015
  3. another good question too is conciousness dependent on a minimum # of neuronal connections, or something else such as the way they are connected?

    of course, the answer is dependent on the definition and you won't won't even take a stab at committing to one, so...WTF you taking about:confused::D
     
    #53     Sep 20, 2015
  4. nitro

    nitro

    Notice emotion is not part of AI-complete. Probably why we are not getting anywhere:

    AI-complete
     
    #54     Sep 20, 2015
  5. nitro

    nitro

    Is morality possible without emotion? I say no. While we shoud be afraid of only AI-complete cybernetic devices, I don't think we should be afraid of Emotion-Complete [I just invented that term] cybernetic devices because they will also develop moral values.
     
    #55     Sep 20, 2015
  6. the division on AI into these two broad categories only speaks to the infancy of AI research, not true dichotomy. these lines will blur with time and understanding. (i don't really get why you don't get that?) those are some 'broad strokes" there, that really don't add anything to understanding.
     
    #56     Sep 20, 2015
  7. is "just-us" a moral value? taking care of your tribe? taking care of business, or family at exclusion of all other tribes? "just-usis this moral?
     
    #57     Sep 20, 2015
  8. "Emotion" is a problematic word. I believe that we have a spirit body that helps us to interact with the world. I have proven same to my own satisfaction in fact. I find that if I'm aware of my chakras of my feet and knees while walking it is way less difficult. In fact I've seen that the physical world moves to accomodate my footsteps! That simple thing gives me the ability to walk on top of a narrow wall in fact whereas before the discovery of the chakras I was unable to do that. So sensations from the spirit body can be termed "emotion".

    Sensations from our minds like programmed knee jerk reactions to things can be termed "emotion" also.

    Further, in my explorations of Christianity I've discovered a lot about what the Bible terms "the flesh". This is misunderstood by the typical Bible College person if not all scholars. It's about lies that the devil has gotten each of us to believe which give him partial control over our flesh and cause us to lose the ability to hear from God. The upshot of the will of the flesh can also result in actions that can be termed "emotion".
     
    #58     Sep 20, 2015
  9. Can consciousness arise from a medulla oblongata? a serious question! a medulla oblongata has many many many many more neurons than a slug (for example), and many many many times squared connections but is a slug conscious? i think not! is a medualla oblongata aware of itself? i think not!:confused:

    where does that leave us??

    http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=11633
     
    #59     Sep 20, 2015
  10. Q http://www.thegodtheory.com/contents_pgu.htm

    Table of Contents
    The Purpose-Guided Universe
    The God Theory
    PREFACE
    INTRODUCTION
    Is There Any Chance It Could Come About?
    A Purpose-Guided Universe
    Not Intelligent Design
    Three Different Possibilities
    CHAPTER 1. Science and Religion
    An Infinite Number of Universes vs. One Great
    Intelligence
    Belief Systems
    The Problem
    String Theory
    Having Faith
    A Better Notion of God
    Consciousness Creating Reality
    CHAPTER 2:Quantum Reality
    An Ideal Quantum Experiment
    Waves and Particles
    The Wavefunction
    Schroedinger's Cat
    Wheeler's Delayed Choice Experiment:
    If You Come to a Fork in the Road... Take It
    Consciousness
    CHAPTER 3: The Finely-Tuned Universe
    A Universe Made for Life
    The Force of Gravity to the Electric (Coulomb) Force
    The Nuclear Force
    The Density of Matter
    The Dark Matter Ratio
    The Even Bigger Mystery of Dark Energy
    Quantum Clumps
    The Chemistry of Life: Carbon and Oxygen
    That Ordinary Extraordinary Liquid: Water
    Which is Heavier? Neutron or Proton
    What Happened to all the Anti-matter?
    What to Make of This
    CHAPTER 4: The Perennial Philosophy
    The Perennial Philosophy
    Requisite Conditions
    Eddington and Einstein
    Eddington and His Inner Light
    The Universe Begins to Look More Like a Great
    Thought than Like a Great Machine
    CHAPTER 5: Thou Art That
    A Little Theology
    Consciousness and Causes
    Beginning of Time
    Meister Eckhart
    Finding God Within
    The Mystical Experience: "I and the Father are One"
    CHAPTER 6: The God Theory
    God and Godhead
    What Does this Mumbo-jumbo Mean?
    A Mental Universe
    The Question of Why
    If We Are God, Why Don't We Know That?
    Role of Evolution
    Does Consciousness Evolve to an Omega Point?
    CHAPTER 7: Staying Out of Heaven
    The Standard Model of Life
    Creation by Subraction
    God as Timeless Absolute
    Experiencing Timelessness
    Mystical vs. Psychedelic
    Can You Really Train for Enlightenment?
    A World of Polarity
    CHAPTER 8: Consciousness and Reality
    The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle
    Superseding the Clockwork Universe
    The Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen (EPR) Thought
    Experiment
    Bohm
    Quantum Spin
    Bell's Inequality
    Locality, Realism and the Leggett Formula
    CHAPTER 9: The Post-Physics Era
    The End of the Physics Age
    The Post-Physics Age
    The Issue of Consciousness
    CHAPTER 10: The Primacy of Consciousness
    Are You Nothing But a Pack of Neurons?
    Quantum Mechanics Requires Consciousness
    Shifting Consciousness
    A Three-way Battle of Beliefs
    Reason for Hope
    CHAPTER 11: Where Do Things Stand?
    Multiverse or Creator?
    Consciousness and Free Will
    Evolution
    Can a Smart Person Believe in God?
    A Purpose
    TABLE: The Ten Critical Properties of the Universe
    BIBLIOGRAPHY
    INDEX
    UQ
     
    #60     Sep 21, 2015