What is a "proper Negro"?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by nutmeg, Oct 21, 2011.

  1. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    Good catch. Nixon's Southern Strategy turned virtually every dixiecrat into a dixiePub. Strange (not really) how the righties love to conveniently "forget" that.

    The Dem most responsible for bringing blacks into the Party would be LBJ. It started with JFK but Johnson really came through for civil rights.
     
    #61     Oct 23, 2011
  2. rew

    rew

    The TSA and the Patriot Act proved that the federal government can not be trusted with enforcing human rights. In Roe vs. Wade 7 out of 9 supreme court judges decided that they wanted to make abortion legal and pretended that the Constitution requires it. Their reasoning was a paragon of obfuscation and special pleading. Even liberal lawyers were astounded by the legal "logic". I don't care whether abortion is legal or not. I do care that what abortion laws we have be made in a manner that is consistent with the Constitution.

    BTW, is infanticide a right? If not, why are you trying to force other people to comply with your lifestyle?
     
    #62     Oct 23, 2011
  3. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    + 10
     
    #63     Oct 23, 2011
  4. I thought it might be LBJ, cause I knew the bill did hit the desk of JFK, but he waffed on that one, so I have read. He wanted to free us from the Fed first. So I totally understand that. Maybe he was shot because he wanted to end Fed AND sign the Civil Rights bill. More ambition than any President before him, including Lincoln. Since Bobby Kennedy had the same view, AND he wanted to clamp down on organized crime, they shot him before he could run good.

    LBJ, a Texan, set the stage for Barrack Obama, go figure:D
     
    #64     Oct 23, 2011
  5. Mercor

    Mercor

    This is the most common Liberal retort. It fits nicely into the Lefts need to claim the right and Tea party racist.

    I would argue that if the Dixiecrats had been Republicans from the start you would never had KKK, Jim Crow...etc...

    It is unfair to thrust the infamous legacy of the Racist Democrats onto the New Republican South. There simply is no history of institutional racism in the origin or long history of the Republicans in the South.

    Fighting for States rights should not be confused with anything having to do with racism.
     
    #65     Oct 23, 2011
  6. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    Well done!
     
    #66     Oct 24, 2011
  7. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    You are as clueless as can be.

    Here's the Southern Congressional voting on the Civil Rights Act of 1964:

    The original House version:

    Southern Democrats: 93% against
    Southern Republicans: 100% against

    The Senate version:

    Southern Democrats: 95% against
    Southern Republicans: 100% against

    Yeah, the Southern Repubs were real good to blacks (NOT!) even before Nixon flooded their ranks with disgruntled dixiecrats.

    When are you guys going to stop with the bullshit attempts at revising history? :mad:
     
    #67     Oct 24, 2011
  8. Mercor

    Mercor

    It's convenient that you pass over the motive behind the votes. It will fit your simple mind to think both votes had the same motive.

    The Southern Democrats (Dixiecrats) vote was exclusive racist.
    The Republicans vote was a principle vote of State rights. The Republicans had enforced integration after the Brown Vs Board of Edu. ruling.
    President Eisenhower brought in the US Army and nationalized the Alabama national guard to enforce the ruling of the Supreme Court.

    I see you also cite the "Original" vote and not the final vote o the bill. The vast majority of Congressional GOP voted FOR the Civil Rights of 1964-65.

    The "Dixiecrats" mentality no longer exists.
     
    #68     Oct 24, 2011
  9. Mercor

    Mercor

    The Dixiecrat Myth
    Posted on March 19, 2010 by Bob
    The left is quite annoyed that myself and others dare link the racist, segregationist past in this country to Democrats, at that flies in the face of everything they claim to champion, when it comes to civil rights, racial tolerance, etc.

    The Democrats’ own website, to this day, attempts to take fraudulently credit for the civil rights movement and legislation, and when called on it, the recitation is the same: “we’ve grown” and “don’t forget about the Dixiecrats”.

    Defensive liberals claim the Dixiecrats, as a whole, defected from the Democrat Party when President Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (no thanks to Democrats), and became Republicans which they claimed were more accepting of segregationist policies.

    Well, I decided to get some opinions on the matter from some historians.

    I contacted Professor Larry Schweikart of the University of Dayton for advice. Larry and I worked on a documentary based on a chapter on Ronald Reagan from his best-selling book, A Patriot’s History of the United States.

    The idea that “the Dixiecrats joined the Republicans” is not quite true, as you note. But because of Strom Thurmond it is accepted as a fact. What happened is that the **next** generation (post 1965) of white southern politicians — Newt, Trent Lott, Ashcroft, Cochran, Alexander, etc — joined the GOP.

    So it was really a passing of the torch as the old segregationists retired and were replaced by new young GOP guys. One particularly galling aspect to generalizations about “segregationists became GOP” is that the new GOP South was INTEGRATED for crying out loud, they accepted the Civil Rights revolution. Meanwhile, Jimmy Carter led a group of what would become “New” Democrats like Clinton and Al Gore.

    Larry also suggested I contact Mike Allen, Professor of History at the University of Washington, Tacoma (who also appeared in the Reagan documentary) for input.

    There weren’t many Republicans in the South prior to 1964, but that doesn’t mean the birth of the souther GOP was tied to “white racism.” That said, I am sure there were and are white racist southern GOP. No one would deny that. But it was the southern Democrats who were the party of slavery and, later, segregation. It was George Wallace, not John Tower, who stood in the southern schoolhouse door to block desegregation! The vast majority of Congressional GOP voted FOR the Civil Rights of 1964-65. The vast majority of those opposed to those acts were southern Democrats. Southern Democrats led to infamous filibuster of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

    The confusion arises from GOP Barry Goldwater’s vote against the ’64 act. He had voted in favor or all earlier bills and had led the integration of the Arizona Air National Guard, but he didn’t like the “private property” aspects of the ’64 law. In other words, Goldwater believed people’s private businesses and private clubs were subject only to market forces, not government mandates (“We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.”) His vote against the Civil Rights Act was because of that one provision was, to my mind, a principled mistake.

    This stance is what won Goldwater the South in 1964, and no doubt many racists voted for Goldwater in the mistaken belief that he opposed Negro Civil Rights. But Goldwater was not a racist; he was a libertarian who favored both civil rights and property rights.

    Switch to 1968.

    Richard Nixon was also a proponent of Civil Rights; it was a CA colleague who urged Ike to appoint Warren to the Supreme Court; he was a supporter of Brown v. Board, and favored sending troops to integrate Little Rock High). Nixon saw he could develop a “Southern strategy” based on Goldwater’s inroads. He did, but Independent Democrat George Wallace carried most of the deep south in 68. By 1972, however, Wallace was shot and paralyzed, and Nixon began to tilt the south to the GOP. The old guard Democrats began to fade away while a new generation of Southern politicians became Republicans. True, Strom Thurmond switched to GOP, but most of the old timers (Fulbright, Gore, Wallace, Byrd etc etc) retired as Dems.

    Why did a new generation white Southerners join the GOP? Not because they thought Republicans were racists who would return the South to segregation, but because the GOP was a “local government, small government” party in the old Jeffersonian tradition. Southerners wanted less government and the GOP was their natural home.

    Jimmy Carter, a Civil Rights Democrat, briefly returned some states to the Democrat fold, but in 1980, Goldwater’s heir, Ronald Reagan, sealed this deal for the GOP. The new ”Solid South” was solid GOP.

    BUT, and we must stress this: the new southern Republicans were *integrationist* Republicans who accepted the Civil Rights revolution and full integration while retaining their love of Jeffersonian limited government principles.
    http://www.black-and-right.com/2010/03/19/the-dixiecrat-myth/
     
    #69     Oct 24, 2011
  10. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    Reverse Cow Girl and Kunt2k OWNED!
     
    #70     Oct 24, 2011