This is where the money is, train train train- pay, pay , pay. No risk they take your money PLUS churning brokerage costs not to mention "desk' and other "fee's" on useless "strategies", thats why a prop firm wants YOU. If they had serious ways of making $ other than training, brokerage and fee'sa they would be a "hedge" fund. Go ask a legit large "fund" if they would support you for "opening" orders......