What is a better US Gov investment for Future - Military Spending or Infrastructure

Discussion in 'Politics' started by SouthAmerica, Aug 18, 2005.

  1. that's what they wanted all along. the neocons are far from incompetent, they are shrewd and ruthless. in iraq, a plunge into civil war is all that matter to the pnac agenda:



    Order Out Of Chaos In Iraq
    Divide et impera a classic colonial strategy

    Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | March 10 2006

    It is now clearer than ever before that the blueprint for Iraq from the very start was to deliberately allow the country to descend into chaos and encourage Muslim to kill Muslim as the Neo-Con juggernaut of ethnic cleansing roars on to steamroll its next victim.

    We don't even need to cast our eye over recent incidents to know that staged managed events and psychological operations are taking place in Iraq. The Pentagon admitted that the April 9 2003 Saddam statue toppling was orchestrated not by joyous Iraqis but by a Marine colonel, with a psychological team using loudspeakers to urge onlooking Iraqis to assist.

    Close angle shots of the scene broadcast live worldwide gave the impression that crowd numbered in the hundreds and not the 50 or so who were actually there.

    In September 2005, British SAS were caught attempting to stage a terror attack by disguising themselves as Arabs and attacking Iraqi police. The soldiers were arrested and taken to a nearby jail where they were confronted and interrogated by an Iraqi judge.

    The initial demand from the puppet authorities that the soldiers be released was rejected by the Basra government. At that point tanks were sent in to 'rescue' the terrorists and the 'liberated' Iraqis started to riot, firebombing and pelting stones at the vehicles injuring British troops.

    The only news outlet to ask any serious questions was Australian TV news which according to one viewer gave, "credibility to the 'conspiracy theorists' who have long claimed many terrorist acts in Iraq are, in fact, being initiated and carried out by US, British and Israeli forces."
    italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena's car was fired upon and an Italian secret service agent killed during their escape after Sgrena was told by the group that kidnapped her that a threat to kill her if Italian troops didn't pull out of Iraq wasn't made by them. Sgrena wrote articles condemning torture at Abu Ghraib and more dangerous to the US, articles about the use of napalm in Fallujah. The Pentagon admitted they would target non-embedded journalists before the war even started. The BBC's Kate Adie reported,

    " I was told by a senior officer in the Pentagon, that if uplinks --that is the television signals out of... Baghdad, for example-- were detected by any planes ...electronic media... mediums, of the military above Baghdad... they'd be fired down on. Even if they were journalists."

    This means that Rumsfeld's Ministry of Truth in Iraq is putting out false statements by fake Jihad groups to try and maintain the facade that the resistance is run by brutal terrorists under the direction of Al-Qaeda/Iran/Syria or whoever else they want to bomb next.

    Every high profile kidnapping brings with it eyewitness reports of white men in suits and police carrying out the abductions.

    Throughout history we see the tactic of divide and conquer being used to enslave populations and swallow formerly sovereign countries by piecemeal. From the British stirring up aggression between different Indian tribes in order to foment division, to modern day Yugoslavia where the country was rejecting the IMF and world bank takeover before the Globalists broke it up and took the country piece by piece by arming and empowering extremists.

    Donald Rumsfeld announced yesterday that if Iraq were to plunge into an all-out civil war then Iraqi security forces would be given the task of dealing with it. Who is cutting and running now? The Iraqi security forces, largely consisting of street thugs, militias and former Baathists loyal to Saddam, are responsible for a thousand Iraqis being tortured to death in Iraq every month, according to Dr. John Pace, the outgoing UN human rights chief.

    Do they sound like amicable peacemakers to you?

    The agenda to maintain division and ethnic tension in Iraq can be seen as long term plan and the only way to finally capture and enslave a country that has historically thrown out its occupiers on every occasion.

    In 1982, Oded Yinon, an official from the Israeli Foreign Affairs office, wrote: "To dissolve Iraq is even more important for us than dissolving Syria. In the short term, it's Iraqi power that constitutes the greatest threat to Israel. The Iran-Iraq war tore Iraq apart and provoked its downfall. All manner of inter-Arab conflict help us and accelerate our goal of breaking up Iraq into small, diverse pieces."

    Ethnic cleansing, maimed children and thousands of dead American soldiers are a small price to pay because for the Globalists the end always justifies the means and untold bloodshed and misery and bloodshed won't stand in their way.

    That agenda was again underscored recently when Daniel Pipes, a highly influential Straussian Neo-Con media darling, who told the New York Sun that a civil war would aid the US and Israel because it would entangle Iran and Syria and enable those countries to be picked off by the new world empire without the need to sell a direct invasion to the public.

    Stephen Zunes, professor of Politics and chair of the Peace & Justice Studies Program at the University of San Francisco, recently wrote,

    "Top analysts in the CIA and State Department, as well as large numbers of Middle East experts, warned that a U.S. invasion of Iraq could result in a violent ethnic and sectarian conflict. Even some of the war's intellectual architects acknowledged as much: In a 1997 paper, prior to becoming major figures in the Bush foreign policy team, David Wurmser, Richard Perle, and Douglas Feith predicted that a post-Saddam Iraq would likely be "ripped apart" by sectarianism and other cleavages but called on the United States to "expedite" such a collapse anyway."

    "One of the long-standing goals of such neoconservative intellectuals has been to see the Middle East broken up into smaller ethnic or sectarian mini-states, which would include not only large stateless nationalities like the Kurds, but Maronite Christians, Druze, Arab Shi'ites, and others. Such a policy comes not out of respect for the right of self-determination – indeed, the neocons have been steadfast opponents of the Palestinians' desire for statehood, even alongside a secure Israel – but out of an imperial quest for divide-and-rule. The division of the Middle East has long been seen as a means of countering the threat of pan-Arab nationalism and, more recently, pan-Islamist movements."

    The machinations of the Machiavellian's are unfolding according to plan. Let Iraq cascade into chaos and dilute the insurgency by manipulating it to become fractious and watch in-fighting ensue. Blame Iran and Syria for the anarchy (a sentiment echoed by Rice during the cartoon riots) and then move the troops in to decapitate two more rogue nations.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/100306orderchaos.htm
     
    #31     Feb 4, 2007
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    February 4, 2007

    SouthAmerica: I understand many Americans believe in projecting to the rest of the world the image of the United States as the only superpower – let’s nuke this one or that one – let’s invade this country or that country – let’s kick some ass somewhere to show how tough we are……

    But the rest of the world knows better than that - the rest of the world were watching on live television the Katrina Hurricane victims exposing to the world the fragility of the United States system - it took a week for the federal government to figure out what to do regarding that hurricane, but in the meantime CNN News had no problem getting their people around New Orleans to show to the world the catastrophe that was happening.

    On the above threads I have been mentioning only the $ 2 trillion dollars the United States needs to maintain and fix the current infrastructure – and I did not mention the tremendous amount of money that the United States will need in the near future to pay for the healthcare costs of millions of baby boomers who are getting very old and will cost a fortune to the federal government.

    The truth is the US government is broke for all practical purposes – but I understand the American people - they rather pay trillions of US dollars regarding a war that has been lost anyway – than use the money for infrastructure and to social programs here in the old USA.

    The good news is that the US is pissing away the borrowed money from the Chinese – and most Americans don't expect that they will ever need to repay that money back.


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    #32     Feb 4, 2007
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    I would not agree to the fact that the current mess in Iraq is a NEOCON design of choice. They would not blow up 100s of billions for this drama with no end in sight. They wanted to overthrow Saddam, capture Iraqi oil and set up a post war Germany-Japan type example of Iraq presented to the rest of the Islamic world. They forget that Germany and Japan were not fueled by religious ideals and emotions like Islamists are so that model and trick will not work in the middle east.

    The NEOCON agenda was to swiftly move on Iran and then on North Korea but Iraq stalled them very bad and drained their resources.

    However, some pin prick 'critical points' bombing attacks on Iranian nuclear facilities that will put them back even by two years will, could and should be carried out. As nukes in the hands of Persians and Arabs is not a healthy scenario.

    Kerry was right, 'Iraq war is a diversion from the real war on terrorism' but the fool ended up choosing Edwards as his running mate and lost out in the last few yards. The worst thing is Bush despite all his fanatical blunders and bloodshed has not once acknowledged the fact that he and his gang were wrong and they want to apologize to the American and Iraqi people for the pain and suffering inflicted on them....not once! That is like Hitler shooting himself only when Russians were mere couple of blocks away. Fanatical minds have to be kept away from power for the sake of the humankind.
     
    #33     Feb 4, 2007
  4. Do you realise that by doing so you are declaring war on Iran.
     
    #34     Feb 4, 2007
  5. Excellent Commentary All

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    The Oil Welfare states want one thing...more money...which in turn means a better financial future for their countries...For some of these countries...oil represents more than 70% of their total revenues...and the alternatives for revenue diversification take a long long time...ie changing educational infrastructure...adding core industries etc...The oil is already established in the ground..Now they just want to maximize control of these resources...

    Cheney knows that no matter what people say or think....the US must control the oil spigots of the world...and the US must do what it has to do...if it wants a pleasant future as a nation...Cheney also knows that military approaches cause higher oil prices...which benefits the US oil industries...In order for oil companies to make more money...oil prices have to go up....it is just that simple...and for many years in the US ...oil was inversely related to bonds.....When the US non oil states were doing well...the oil producing states were doing bad...when the oil states such as Texas were doing well...the non oil states were doing bad...etc...Now that the US is energy dependent...When the oil producing welfare states are doing well...The US energy picture is bad...and vice versa...

    The only way to secure oil in the ground..is to secure the real estate...and thus protect the economy of the US...for no nation can be strong without a cheap energy base...
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    The number one effort in the US should now be the development of the enzymes that can rapidly break down the cellulose that is produced by non food competing plants such as switchgrass..This is the only possible means whereby the US can be energy independent while improving the environment...

    Sugar cane is best grown in hotter...tropical climates..that the US simply does not have...

    If the US wants energy independence ...it cannot look to contract other countries...just period...

    Cheap liquid energy is the name of the game...
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    The other most important item for fossil fuel reduction is for GM to produce the plug in vehicle which will have a range sufficient to replace fossil fuel needs for all of the US major city commutes....This in turn solves any other smaller city commute issues...
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    Thus the battery technology....and the enzyme technology....are the two most important technologies that are needed in the short run...

    Next....housing has to take full advantage of solar energy....The technology that actually creates solar panel paint...is a very interesting technology...as well as reflective mirrors which concentrate solar light into heat....A simple example is to get a simple magnifying glass....and on a sunny day concentrate the light of the magnifying glass to burn paper etc...Now think about producing simple collections of large magnifying glasses...to heat water ...etc...etc...glass is made from sand.....
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    The bottom line is that I would like to see the US spend over one trillion dollars on developing energy alternatives.....and become truly energy independent.....Then the rest of the world would follow suit....

    I want the US to put the nail in the coffin regarding fossil fuels....And whoever the leadership is that believes this way...I want them to be in office and make it happen....
     
    #35     Feb 4, 2007
  6. i think they should relocate jewish people to North and South Dakota. all the problem will go away
     
    #36     Feb 4, 2007
  7. I didnt realize there were so many irrational conspiracy lunatics on this site. This site really is a joke.

    Are there any sites with real traders instead of conspiracy nuts around here?

    :eek:
     
    #37     Feb 4, 2007
  8. that would only delay the problem... as they would eventually end up going back to their homeland... it was foreseen thousands of years ago. This is a fight that is going to happen, there's no way to stop it.
     
    #38     Feb 4, 2007
  9. welcome to america!
     
    #39     Feb 4, 2007
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    ' didnt realize there were so many irrational conspiracy lunatics on this site. This site really is a joke.

    Are there any sites with real traders instead of conspiracy nuts around here?'

    throw some real reasoning and logics instead of calling names like some grumpy grandma who twisted her ankle on the snow.


    'welcome to america'

    I wonder if after the Bush led NEOCON crimes on the US, will we ever see that good old America again.
     
    #40     Feb 4, 2007