What instrument to use when bullish on OIL ?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by softfx, Jan 25, 2009.

  1. softfx

    softfx


    Thanks , i'll look into XEG
     
    #21     Jan 25, 2009
  2. how about some DIG
     
    #23     Jan 25, 2009
  3. LEAPup

    LEAPup

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't a futures contract bought now, and rolled over month to month be a better alternative?

    I'm wanting to hedge against higher prices at the pump, but buying I don't see how the ETF's will work as well.
     
    #24     Jan 25, 2009
  4. cokezero

    cokezero

    the problem with futures contract now for long term position is the super contango we have with crude right now.

    The price of the 2010 contract is more like $60 now rather than $4x the spot is. So you have to pay $60 if you want to go long term.

    It clearly spells the spot price is a bargain but there is no way to take advantage of this price unless you store up crude. Or is it??? maybe oil stock is the way to go but I suspect the super contango has been priced in...

    Any ideas? I'm looking to buy some crude for the longer term as well but can't find a satisfactory instrument.
     
    #25     Jan 25, 2009
  5. Try Direxion Energy Bulls ERX
     
    #26     Jan 26, 2009
  6. LEAPup

    LEAPup

    Gotta bump this back up. I've been pondering this for a while, and want to hedge long term.

    A person can buy the ETF's today, and probably triple their $$$. However, what happens when they get to the 3x their money point? Sell some of the shares to offset pump prices?

    If a person does that, how are they going to get more shares at a price they paid in Jan 2009?

    This is why I wonder about RBG contracts, and rolling them.
     
    #27     Jan 26, 2009
  7. dave74

    dave74

    Why would someone go with DXO (or any other oil price ETF) over USO considering the following numbers?

    I just don't understand it.

    DXO is supposed to be "double exposure", but it's anything but.


    (all time high to Friday Jan 23 closing price)

    Crude oil: 147.27 to 45.75 = -68.93%

    USO: 119.17 to 32.33 = -72.87%

    DXO: 29.65 to 2.78 = -89.61
     
    #28     Jan 26, 2009
  8. oil never will go to zero...

    sell naked puts on USO or CL
     
    #29     Jan 26, 2009
  9. LEAPup

    LEAPup

    What are you receiving for the naked puts on USO?
     
    #30     Jan 27, 2009