Quote from stu: shit man, do you just sit there all day waiting for me ??? you are one weird dude !! ...but no try again the issues are these.... The Trinity... according to ART here on pg 26... or this ________________________________________________ How do you know he is there?
You realize your goods are contaminated. but you can't offload them. They are your absurd remarks .... your issues, as you are obviously incapable of addressing them. Get over it, and account for your issues. And here is something else you appear to have issues with..... a smiley issue , just for you.
well ok but, can you explain how, by adding the subjectiveness of a mythical supernatural entity, you organize subjectivity rather than simply add to it. ahh, and here your answer becomes loaded. Not adding sunjectiveness to subjectivity turns a person into a predetermined being with no free will. Correct me if I am wrong, but just how does choosing not to add a layer of subjectiveness to what you say is an already subjective world, stop free will? ....And does one add layer upon layer of subjectiveness, ie; one subjective mythical supernatural entity after another ( Santa, Pink Pixies, Easter Bunnies) to achieve more free will?? Anything goes then. Are you saying you simply make up God to be whatever you want it to be. If so , I don't think mainstream religious doctrine concurs with your view.
Now you are godlike enough to know what I realize? The narcissism you display is expanding. Happens when people don't have a higher power in their life, they begin to believe they themselves are godlike. I bring up your obvious anger, resentment against theism, and passive aggressiveness, and how do you respond? Well, naturally, you respond as any other emotional driven and immature human being does who has not recovered from their own childhood wounding....you attack and ignore your own issues. Classic.
....and You are godlike enough to know I am godlike ?? You have just expanded your own narcissism outside all boundaries My above response to your silly remarks is a demonstration of all that you ever do once someone brings question to your absurd statements. You have nothing to discuss. The only reaction you do have is to accuse others of the very shortcomings displayed by yourself. Here again is the epitomization of your blindness to reason Quote from ARogueTrader: Now, if you want to live in a world of if_________, then ________ conditional truths, [then] be my guest. I don't think you can see the goofs you make. That quote is classic demonstration of your narrow minded irrationality .....being fundamental to your method of response. Perhaps subconsciously a realization you are being ridiculous (somehow I doubt you are the beneficiary of any realizations), caused you to develop serious character weaknesses. which results in religiously (LOL) blaming and accusing everyone else of the very acts of absurdity expressed by yourself And that ,as your mindset , is your default reaction to avoid responsibility. Who knows....who cares (oops, smiley issue!! ) .... oops Nevertheless, the contradiction which you concede.... Faith in God is true Faith in No God is true remains one of your outstanding unresolved issues. ps I don't believe this is the first time you have stated - as a fact - that I must have experienced some trauma as a child, yet you know nothing of my childhood. Are you crying out for help??
....and You are godlike enough to know I am godlike ?? You have just expanded your own narcissism outside all boundaries. It doesn't take a godlike vanity to see that someone else is acting godlike. When I view you stating that you know what I realize, the supposition you make is without the powers of normal human beings, and would be godlike to know what another person has realized. My above response to your silly remarks is a demonstration of all that you ever do once someone brings question to your absurd statements. You have nothing to discuss. The only reaction you do have is to accuse others of the very shortcomings displayed by yourself. You consistently make claims to my remarks being silly, garbage, and other disparaging comments. You are of course entitled to your point of view, but lets not confuse your bias, beliefs, and opinions for truth. Here again is the epitomization of your blindness to reason Blindness to your opinions would be more accurate. You have crowned yourself the king of reason, not everyone sees you in the same manner. Some actually view your royal sense of nobility of reason in the same manner as they viewed the emperor who had no clothes. Quote from ARogueTrader: Now, if you want to live in a world of if_________, then ________ conditional truths, [then] be my guest. Quite accurate. Conditional truths are such as they are gained via conditional instrumentation. The truth is dependent on the accuracy and quality of the instrumentation. A red filter would color the world red. Unconditional truths would rely not on conditions that could change, but would be true no matter what the conditions. Until such time that your tools of truth gathering are perfect themselves, there can be no absolute truth, just conditional and relative truths. I don't think you can see the goofs you make. That quote is classic demonstration of your narrow minded irrationality .....being fundamental to your method of response. It is the narrow mind that assumes existence is limited to physical perception and relativistic logic. Someone may choose to live in any mental world they want, but to proclaim that their mental world is true for others is not accurate. You simply don't know. You don't know that faith is not a path to God, you only know that you failed to find God through your attempts, and subsequent failure with faith. That you then take a sour grapes approach toward theism is of course irrational, and completely emotional in nature. Perhaps subconsciously a realization you are being ridiculous (somehow I doubt you are the beneficiary of any realizations), caused you to develop serious character weaknesses. which results in religiously (LOL) blaming and accusing everyone else of the very acts of absurdity expressed by yourself. Perhaps subs a realization that you are in denial of your wounding from the past influencing your attitude right now (although I doubt your would ever admit it) has caused you to develop such serious character weakness as to judge others in the manner you do, to consistently judge the values and opinions of other to be garbage, etc. And that ,as your mindset , is your default reaction to avoid responsibility. Avoid the responsibility of what? Of acting and thinking the way you do? That is a riot. That sounds just like a Born again Christian who is preaching "their way" or the highway to hell. Nevertheless, the contradiction which you concede.... Faith in God is true Faith in No God is true remains one of your outstanding unresolved issues. You are the one who can't resolve the truth of the first statement, faith in God is true, as you failed in the practice of faith. You think that they are mutually exclusive statements, I do not. Having no faith in God is a true condition, you embody it. ps I don't believe this is the first time you have stated - as a fact - that I must have experienced some trauma as a child, yet you know nothing of my childhood. Are you crying out for help?? I know nothing about your childhood, as I never claimed to have knowledge of your childhood. If you were to read carefully what I have written, I have speculated that you were abused in some way as a child by religion, at least abused in your own mind. How did I come to this speculation? Observation of responses to theism, and the commonality of behavior that mirrors others who display the same tendencies who have in fact been abused as children. As I have mentioned before, I know other failed theists who are now atheists, but they aren't angry with religion at all. They have no emotional charge against religion, God, or those who believe in God. They simply choose not to believe in God, but accept that God may exist, and accept that they may be wrong in their conclusions. They are content in their own practice, and have no need to make others wrong to support their conclusions. They have a live and let live mentality. If you want to be an atheist, fine by me. As I have stated before, I cannot say that you are wrong, that your path is wrong, only that I have a different belief system. I don't feel a sense of superiority in my belief system, or have a need to judge you accordingly. It would be intellectually dishonest in my opinion for you to deny that you have very strong and negative feelings toward religion and those who practice faith, as evidenced by all you have written. I would be willing to wager that if I presented your writings on theism in various threads here at ET to a variety of clinical psychologists for objective review, they would come to the same conclusion, and they too would speculate that you have childhood wounding and display a type of fundamentalist approach that is seen in fundamentalist religious people. My speculation is that you have flipped from one extreme to another, from a religious zealot to a atheistic fanatic. There appears to be no middle ground for you, only black and white, only computerized logic, and prescription of projecting this attitude onto the totality of human experience to conclude "truth" the way you do about God and those who have good and positive revelation with their practice of faith. This rigidity of thought concerning God is of course you choice, in the same way fundamentalist Christians, fundamentalist Muslims, and fundamentalist Atheists make and then express their choice. The commonality of course is that each of the fundamentalists are convinced that their path is not only right for them, but necessarily right for all others. I have heard people like GG and others claim "We must follow science and logic" in the exact same manner and emotionalism that fundamentalist Christians say "we must surrender our lives to Christ." In my observation, you swim in the same ocean with GG and others in your preaching and dogmatism.
If it is not Noah's Ark, then the believers will make rationalizations to minimize the importance of the finding and to justify their beliefs. If it is Noah's Ark then the non-believers will make rationalizations to minimize the importance of the finding and to justify their beliefs.
You seem to think only theists are prone to rationalization and justification to support beliefs. Here is a hint: Atheism is a belief system.
ART - did you really read the whole post? Let me highlight the part you ignored. The point is that this "discovery" or "evidence" or "lack of evidence" will not change anyone's point of view whether they believe in Noah's Ark or not. Which I believe is the same point you are trying to make in your reply.