....your post talked of these things, therefore what reason is there to assume you are not experiencing what you talk of ?? You can post what the hell ever "convention" you like, makes no difference to me.
When I talk to children about the path of learning their ABC's, does this mean I don't know my ABC's? Ah, makes no difference to you. How nice.
I'm not posting this because I want anyone to see me as "good" because I am NOT "good" OR better than anyone else. Don't stereotype me. Neither do I need anyone to call me a hypocrite due to my posts or whatever else - I already know about all that. Nor is this open for debate. I just feel, that, Jesus Christ, the Savior of mankind, indicated that those who benefit by believing in Him should testify about the blessings they have received through Him. I am one that have received and continue to receive GREAT blessings because I do believe in Jesus Christ as my personal Savior. When I was 16 - 17 I was very ill (you can read into that as you wish). I was heavily "searching" in life. Searching for answers, searching for guidance, searching for truth, searching for Divine help and relief from the predicament I found myself in. I ended up giving my life to Jesus, the Son of God. Pls.. don't ask "what church do you go to?" I'm a realist. And my personal beliefs may not line up with others, nevertheless, I truly feel that due to giving my life to Jesus Christ I have received and receive blessings beyond my expectations and have been brought into direct relationship with the living Lord God. For one, I no longer suffer the illness I did in my youth. I've been totally blessed in that area and I give full credit to Jesus Christ who I believe lives and lives in me (according to the Bible and my own witness) by His Holy Spirit who He shed abroad in my heart (Bible terminology). Well, I'm here (not here on the forum, you know what I mean) to tell you that Jesus Christ is every bit what the Bible indicates that He is - this is what I have found to be true and truth in my life. I could not ask for more greater blessings and grace and truth than has been and is provided to me by the Lord Jesus Christ. Daily I am loaded with so many benefits they are unspeakable. Well, that is my testimony, guys. I now feel that, since this thread was started, I fulfulled my obligation to let others know how great a Savior I have experienced Jesus Christ to be. to
With all your steam and hot air out the way, you only end up making an absurd, illogical, non argument for God, boiling down to a dried up mess consisting of three ingredients... 1. The Father You unthinkingly make an If___ then_____ conditional statement to say others are living in a world of If___ then ____ conditional statements. The sad part is, you hadn't even realized you had done so. (That one is a looooey ) 2. The Son You apply Faith which you say leads to truth of God and at the same time, you concede that Faith which leads to truth of No God.... is eqaully valid. 3. The Holy Moley You continuously depend on reference to relativistic logic but state that it is a faulty instrument, although you have nothing else and are obliged to use relativistic logic in everything you think say and do (although in your case it is relativistic non-logic). It seems you are unable to grasp the contradictory uselessness of thinking you can make your own statement "relativistic logic is faulty" and not realize that your own statement must therefore be faulty . By your own conclusion, your statement that relativistic logic is faulty... must be faulty itself . ......and when brought to your attention , in a feeble attempt to overcome this nonsense, you call all argument circular. The only thing circular is your relativistic logic non-argument . In answer to your question ...yes, I think it does mean you don't know your ABC's... nor your arse from your elbow. As for teaching children their ABC's, my take from what you say is I don't think you are safe around children with your God non-logic. ABC is anything but ABC in your book.
aww geee... that is so cute.... "I've been totally blessed in that area and I give full credit to Jesus Christ who I believe lives and lives in me (according to the Bible and my own witness) by His Holy Spirit who He shed abroad in my heart (Bible terminology)". Some snippits from other recent posts you have made.......... "don't think you have to curse the chicks, it's not their fault you can't get it up." "That's because I'm a macho stud, have a hard-on constantly, and can outphuck any female on the planet 10:1." "Nah, I graduated up from phuckin dogs to hand held shower nozzles a long time ago." Presumably this is the unspeakable benefit you get from Jesus Christ living in you when you speak. No doubt you are Blessed by his holy spirit , which was shedding its stuff abroad in your heart when you spoke them.
could very well be. it's a choice: i can either accept that i believe in a g-d that might be an illusion - or i accept that free will itself is an illusion. i choose the former, you are free to make your own choice. both choices are valid, imo. either way, it's accepting an illusion. only difference is which illusion.
Stu is convinced that his reality is THE reality for not only himself, but for all others. I get this sense that he grips so strongly on his position, that he needs to defend it for reasons beyond simple argumentation. Such is the nature of the dogmatic fundamentalists. The reward of all or nothing thinking is that if you can place yourself on the side of "all" you can feel the certainty human beings crave. The atheist have no choice but to condemn and make the theist wrong in order to maintain their position. They simply cannot exist in a world in which they might in fact be wrong, in which they might in fact be deluded themselves, where they might in fact have to question their own judgment and stop judging those who practice faith. It amazes me how similar in many ways fundamentalist born again Christians are to their opposites, i.e. fundamentalist born again Atheists.
My belief is that children are not safe around someone who expresses such high levels of intolerance and repressed anger in the manner you do. Your bitterness is not something that is nutritional for children. Given your closed minded approach to faith, based on your own failure and sour grapes response, I have no choice but to try to communicate with you on your own closed minded level of computerized mental constructs devoid of the full range of human experiences. I cannot talk about the positive experiences of faith that the majority of human beings enjoy, because you have no framework of understanding them based on your own personal failures and bitterness. When it is suggested that your constructs have their foundation in tools that have limitations, are lacking verification apart from their own devices, it naturally places you on the defensive, and the logical trick is to attempt to deflect the criticism of senses and intellect by saying that I cannot use logic to question logic. In your world, logic and senses and their relativistic nature must be accepted absolutely without question nor doubt, as if we should all behave like computers and simply process the data we receive just like a PC, never questioning if the PC itself is working properly. It is your world, your reality, and I don't know you to be right or wrong ultimately, unless I am in possession of ultimate reality itself. Your position is dogmatic, self righteous, and once again, not a position that I would want to subject young, innocent, open minded, faithful by nature, inquisitive, children to. I have no desire to crush their spirit, simply because of the failures I had in my life. If you want to grind on the faithful due to your failure in faith, I guess that is your choice. Heaven help those who are subjected to it, in the same way that Heaven help those who are subjected to fundamentalist Christians.
TradeOff: >Well, that is my testimony, guys. I now feel that, since >this thread was started, I fulfulled my obligation to let >others know how great a Savior I have experienced Jesus >Christ to be. Yes, very nice... from one of, it not the most blatently proudly foul posters to come along in ET for some time. JB