What happens when there are too many guns in America

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, May 2, 2023.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    As someone who lives in Tampa and has spent lots and lots of time in Chicago and the NYC area, I can tell you there is in no way any possible comparison between Tampa and Chicago.. None whatsoever. You can play with statistics any possible way you want to try to make that case, but when two homicides by firearm can slant the numbers so dramatically in a place with far lower population versus a city that - only in the month of May - had 59 people killed, and you try to draw a comparison its just disingenuous.

    Now, I totally agree with you - we need to stop the flow of guns to Chicago. How?
     
    #91     May 31, 2023
  2. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    No doubt there are to many guns in Chicago.They are at the mercy of federal and state republican gun laws



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    #92     May 31, 2023
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Chicago's problems with violent crime are much bigger than just guns. It is due to a revolving door justice system which puts violent criminals immediately back on the streets without bail or very low bail -- even when caught with a gun. Similarly any imposed sentences ("lax charging" by the DA) -- even for gun crimes -- are negligible.

    How a revolving door bond system puts violent criminals back on Chicago's streets
    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-bond-witness-murder-20170504-story.html

    Close the revolving door for high-risk offenders in Cook County
    https://wirepoints.org/close-the-revolving-door-for-high-risk-offenders-in-cook-county-wirepoints/

    Cook County poised to end cash bail Sunday despite downstate judge’s ruling
    Reform will move ahead as planned in Chicago and its immediate suburbs.
    https://chicago.suntimes.com/politi...inois-unconstitutional-kankakee-judge-opinion

    Ex-Chicago police union chief blasts 'revolving door' bail policies
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/chica...r-policies-lack-of-support-for-chicago-police

    ‘It’s Beyond Frustrating,’ Top Cop Says After Man Out on Bail for Gun Offense Charged in Fatal Shooting

    https://news.wttw.com/2020/09/14/top-cop-david-brown-weekend-violence

    Suburban Chicago police chiefs back bill to 'override' Kim Foxx's lax charging decisions
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-police-override-kim-foxx

    Suburban mayor says Cook County’s cash bond system is too lenient on suspects
    https://wgntv.com/news/suburban-mayor-says-cook-countys-cash-bond-system-is-too-lenient-on-suspects/
     
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    #93     May 31, 2023
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  4. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    #94     May 31, 2023
  5. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Precisely. Its not just a "ban guns" argument. It's far more complicated.
     
    #95     May 31, 2023
  6. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    "Tsing Tao" struggles with statistics especially when they don't support whatever nutty theory he's preaching. He continually posted crap about Covid throughout the pandemic even posting charts he clearly didn't understand. I can walk 90% of my city at night without a weapon and have no real worries about my safety. He needs several weapons and thinks he's safer.
     
    #96     May 31, 2023
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  7. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Still following me around like a puppy dog, I see. Yipping and yapping at my heels in order to get noticed.
     
    #97     May 31, 2023
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    The immediate fix for Chicago's violent gun crime is very straight-forward -- and it involves two points:
    • No bond for those arrested for gun crimes if they are in possession of a gun when they are arrested (assuming that the gun is not legally permitted & carried -- which a huge majority of them are not in Chicago).
    • Minimum 10 year sentence of those convicted of a crime involving a gun.
     
    #98     May 31, 2023
  9. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    I lean toward criminal prosecution, civil financial responsibility and a ban of gun ownership for the legal gun owner the illegal gun came from. If a person puts a gun into circulation they should have to take responsibility if that gun ends up in criminal hands.
     
    #99     May 31, 2023
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  10. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    I can get behind much of that - not so sure about the criminal prosecution side, but certainly some civil responsibility, including liability for damages.

    But there's just too much money in it, and you're still going to have guns moving around. The guy who loses his firearm because he has poor security on it isn't causing all those deaths in Chicago. Going after him needs to happen because a firearm owner needs to be responsible for his firearm, period. But don't be surprised when deaths in Chicago continue unabated, no matter what the "news" articles say. Additionally, it doesn't address all the guns already out there.
     
    #100     May 31, 2023