What Happened To TVIX Today?

Discussion in 'ETFs' started by AAAintheBeltway, Mar 22, 2012.

  1. It's simple folks.

    The true value of the underlying assets in TVIX is displayed on VelocityShares website each day. http://www.velocityshares.com/products.shtml

    People were buying it at a huge premium when new creation units were no longer being created.

    Why were they buying it at such a HUGE premium? Good question.

    It's STILL trading at a premium.

    See the URL I gave you.

    The question isn't why did TVIX fall today.

    The real question is why were people buying it so much higher than its true value in the first place.
     
    #11     Mar 22, 2012
  2. m22au

    m22au

    Correct.

    Another real question: Why is GAZ trading at a huge premium to its intrinsic value?

    Answer: For the same reason as TVIX.

    I don't think it's that impressive really - every trader who was watching the IV for TVIX (and GAZ for that matter) knew about the mispricing. It's just that there were enough muppets to bid up TVIX so such a ridiculous premium.
     
    #12     Mar 22, 2012
  3. Now it's obvious to everyone where were you guys before it dropped 30% :D
     
    #13     Mar 22, 2012
  4. Was only TVIX affected or did they stop new creation with VIIX and XIV also?
     
    #14     Mar 22, 2012
  5. I searched for weeks for shorts on TVIX. Found none.
     
    #15     Mar 22, 2012
  6. Wow! Check this out!!!

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/credit-suisse-plans-reopen-issuance-232400592.html


    Another chapter of the story. Did someone know that was coming??? It's awfully coincidental that the thing tanked & then that PR comes out after the close.

    Did the fall cause the issuer to come out with that PR? OR, did someone know that PR was coming & got out before all the premium in the TVIX was let out of it.

    It sure seems fishy.

    They should track the trades from when it first started falling.
     
    #16     Mar 22, 2012
  7. Oh sweet...they are going to issue more shares for us to buy. You first and I will buy next, promise.

    This thing has been broken for weeks and people are just now noticing?
     
    #17     Mar 22, 2012
  8. lwlee

    lwlee

    Another take on the crash.
    The TVIX Debacle


    "UPDATE: What is probably most likely the driver of the collapse, however, is the reversion to reality (akin to the NAV premium) as pointed out by Nic Colas (h/t) of TVIX (the actual equity position) to TVIXIV (the underlyting vol index itself)..."


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    #18     Mar 22, 2012
  9. m22au

    m22au

    Same as Jackpearson above - I was busy dealing with the disappointment that I could not short TVIX.

    And I was also busy shorting GAZ.

    Despite the recent decline from 6.90 to 4.90, GAZ is still at double its intrinsic value of 2.45.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=^gaz-iv&ql=1
    http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=GAZ
     
    #19     Mar 23, 2012
  10. loogling

    loogling

    #20     Mar 25, 2012