How about flies living at 15000 feet? http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/oct/12/himalayas-nepal-climate-change Also: "He lists some of the physical changes he has seen and their effects on local communities. "The permanent ice above our village now melts at about 5,500m, but it used to be 3,750 metres. Our village is seeing prolonged droughts. They used to last a few months. Now we can go seven months without rain. We have less water now and erratic weather patterns." ""All the Himalayan glaciers are melting, an average of 10-20m a year," he says. One of the most obvious changes, he adds, is the growth of what are known as glacial lake outburst floods (glofs). "A glof happens when a glacial lake is created by a melting glacier and it then bursts. Imja lake is the most dramatic example of a potential one. It is growing 74m a year. When it bursts its banks, we will have a mountain tsunami. Billions of gallons of water will be released and it could wipe out about 70% of the trekking trail to Everest base camp. Not only will that destroy our homes and potentially kill people, but it will wipe out the jewel in the crown of Nepal's tourism industry," he says."
I like the well documented story about the airplane that was left in the Antarctic in WW2 and recovered a half century later.. it was under 275 feet of ice.. but these "scientists" pull up a 20 foot ice core and think that the rings represent hundreds of years, LOL... they are formed intraday sometimes... Everything these "scientists" do is skewed toward really complex answers and a really long time frame.. they never can just work from the evidence to the answer and live with it, largely because those answers won't fit their preconceived notions, LOL... These weather cycles are longer than one human lifetime.. all these "scientists" are looking at the system ringing noise and trying to predict a bunch of cycles.. hee hee, they can prove that you can't predict the next bar in a data series by looking at the previous bars but then they claim that their climate models are to be relied on like they were actual measurements.. their weather models don't work very wall at all even, but they can do climate models spanning decades, centuries, whatever they need.. what a joke... Global Warming fanatics are probably in the same camp as the environuts that let Yellowstone burn while they were outlawing leaf blowers... My attitude is "if you don't like humans, gtfo" They are tools, while they were stopping Nuclear electricity in the US the Energy companies were making lots of money from Oil and cornering the market on nuclear fuel. When Oil and gas run out, then we will get Nuclear energy, meanwhile, we're addicted to Oil and Gas folks... do we ever hear about how we can generate all the electricity needed for the entire Western Hemisphere in the deserts in the Southwest US and Northern Mexico... not just generate but easily distribute via million volt electric lines as we have from Washington to Southern California.. no.. it's not on the table is it.. the most environmentally sound answer to the problem, mirrors and Stirling engines, is not an option.. why is that? It's better and more abundant than wind power by far but the BO admin is all about the wind and the envirocranks are all about cutting out energy usage entirely...
And again we have the undocumented claim of some anti-AGW "evidence". These clowns are worse than creationists. "Well documented", my ass.
And again we have the undocumented claim of some anti-AGW "evidence". These clowns are worse than creationists. "Well documented", my ass. [/QUOTE] Documented well enough for me... LOL.. I've seen all your circular reasoning and your attempts to induce panic in the population.. go find some grammar school kids, maybe you can stampede them into voting you some more public money for your endless research... LOL
Before we cut the public money, maybe we could get one more core drilled, to compare to the other core? That one core you mentioned that the stupid scientists are using may be dated now.
In other words, you got nothin'. For all your talk of "circular reasoning", you're the one not adhering to the basic principles of logical reasoning: no sourcing, a multitude of false claims, the whole nine yards. I have a question for you and your ilk, maxpi: If the truth is on your side, then why all the damn lies? Almost everything out of your mouth on AGW, creationism, whatever is a fucking lie that has been disproven a thousand times or more. Again, if the truth is on your side, then why all the LIES?
North Pole ice-free by summer 2020: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26213406-601,00.html
Oh, didn't you hear? Some here have cited reports that while the ice sheet area is shrinking, its mass is actually growing because it's piling up towards the center. So by 2020 there will be more ice than ever in the north polar region (though it will be in a column 1 meter in diameter and over 6000 miles high). No, global cooling is our real problem.
65 million years of global cooling http://www.paulmacrae.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/glacials-and-interglacials.jpg