What does Karen the Supertrader and her results say about volatility? Oversold?

Discussion in 'Options' started by shooter, Feb 16, 2014.

  1. sonoma

    sonoma

    I think the above is the essential element missing for half the comments in this thread. At the end of the day, we simply don't have enough information to verify her returns.
     
    #271     Mar 29, 2014
  2. jamesbp

    jamesbp

    Were you trading in 2002 and 2008?
     
    #272     Mar 30, 2014
  3. TskTsk

    TskTsk

    Here's someone claiming selling ATM straddles outperform VAR. The VAR got killed in 2008 (as you said wiped out 3 years of gains) whilst ATM was barely touched and recovered remarkably quick: http://www.surlytrader.com/volatility-selling-strategies/

    I e-mailed the guy trying to get a hold of the Barclays study he used but did not get a response.

    However I can say I've been selling ATM vol for some time now as one of my strategies, I diversify as much as possible, and it seems to outperform selling puts in terms of severerity of drawdowns and seems to outperform pretty much everything I've tried so far. One of my fav strategies for sure. Manage risk, diversify and dont be an idiot, take stops, and you can make a nice living doing this. At least that's my experience.
     
    #273     Mar 30, 2014
  4. No, I didn't even know what trading was prior to 2006. I started "trading" in 2008, that's when I opened my first brokerage account. My first trade was in SRS and made a small amount...then proceeded to suck @ss wile learning how to truly trade. I started option trading late 2012.

    Below are my personal results so far...I still have a long way to go...in trading knowledge and experience. /NG was my own personal whipsaw that I managed to survive - 39.54% (calculated from 1.23.14 low to 2.24.14 high in /NG) in 22 trading days followed by a -30.96% (calculated from 2.24.14 high to 2.26.14 low in /NG) in 2 trading days. I can't compare it to 2002 - 08 but it definitely was a great learning experience for me when it comes to selling premium! I got greedy too and left a majority of it on the table...:( Instead of being up ~13.5% YTD it would have been ~34%. Lesson learned. By the way, this was my first rodeo with a future options product so the initial shock of the fact that P/L was still changing after market close had me on edge for a couple of days.
     
    #274     Mar 30, 2014
  5. NG has lost people a LOT of money this year...
     
    #275     Mar 30, 2014
  6. I walked away being up overall on the trade(s) but it sucked to do all that work and finish close to where you started.
     
    #276     Mar 30, 2014
  7. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    You think they could have done 30bn notional in knockout calls?

    I think the reason they sold puts vs pure vol was because they had simple to understand bounded risk which is why they didn't have to put up collateral.

    General RE sold the puts (not buffet directly) and they are in the business of taking in premiums and hopefully not them back out (vs laying out cash now and hoping to get more back later)
     
    #277     Mar 30, 2014
  8. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    That's what I said to Colin Powell about the Iraqi WMDs. :)

    I really don't want to listen to 3 hours of interview again, but didn't they say something like she hasn't had a losing year since she went pro? That would indicate that she did at least 0.1% in 2008. (what again, would have been excellent in that year).
    But again, HF performance is measured against the general market, so most investors would have been very happy losing only 5-10% in 2008.

    Also, what is more likely, knowing that people were throwing money at her in 2009?:

    1. She had a spectacular 2007 (50%) and a very bad 2008. Or

    2. She had 2 very good, consecutive years outperforming the market.
     
    #278     Mar 30, 2014
  9. sle

    sle

    They did 3 yards of Nikkei/Stoxx/Spooz worst-of puts in 2007, I was there and got a T-shirt. Petty sure they could have lifted the street on 10bn of barriers if they wanted to. But I agree that selling puts was a pure insurance trade.
     
    #279     Mar 30, 2014
  10. As far as I can tell, a trade like this is equivalent to BRK borrowing $5bn unsecured at 20y OIS rate (actually, this isn't entirely clear; could be they discounted the premia at the BRK's risky rate, although this isn't what the Lehman doc that people in FT talked about suggests). I don't see how this is a poor trade...
     
    #280     Mar 30, 2014