What does Karen the Supertrader and her results say about volatility? Oversold?

Discussion in 'Options' started by shooter, Feb 16, 2014.

  1. sle

    sle

    In the idiosyncratic world (e.g. single stocks), the above almost always true. In the beta world (e.g. index or bond futures), realized vol is a good predictor of future realized vol. Also, in cases of extreme macro events like 2008 and 2011, even after the move, a lot was hinging on the upcoming policymaker decisions, which calls for a long gamma position.
     
    #101     Mar 6, 2014
  2. Dolemite

    Dolemite

    Got it thanks!
     
    #102     Mar 6, 2014
  3. SIUYA

    SIUYA

    FWIW an old rule of thumb I was taught in equities -

    a sudden large move in the market is more likely to be followed by further large moves in individual stocks.
    whereas - a sudden large move in an individual stock usually requires some consolidation.

    Hence there are often times buying expensive short term gamma is still worth it and a lot maybe determined by if its a single element/item moving or a market shift. A lot also depends on where you are relative to expiry, and expected moves based on where to buy/sell gamma.
     
    #103     Mar 7, 2014
  4. sle

    sle

    Are you implying that after large moves in index (market), you would want to be long dispersion? That is, you would be better off owning single stock gamma and selling index gamma against it?
     
    #104     Mar 7, 2014
  5. jamesbp

    jamesbp

    Any idea why the Principals of Tasty Trade never disclose Account PL?
     
    #105     Mar 11, 2014
  6. ammo

    ammo

    what would the purpose or advantage be to your trading?
     
    #106     Mar 11, 2014
  7. Surprise

    Surprise

    I think you know the answer ;-)
     
    #107     Mar 12, 2014
  8. SIUYA

    SIUYA

    sle - sorry for the late reply - missed this.
    A: not necessarily.
    I was more referring to individual stocks as opposed to introducing the index.
    Hence, if you are trading a stock that moves suddenly with a major shift in the market, then the rule of thumb was to buy rather than sell for that individual stock. If you are trading gamma. (This was also way before computers and any real data analysis)

    Different ballgame, if looking at a wide basket of stocks v index.

    The thinking was that there are more forces at play on a individual stock now, hence possibly more volatility short term in the individual, whereas if it was simply a profit warning or such then the stock usually settled down quickly but just at new levels.
     
    #108     Mar 12, 2014
  9. peleus

    peleus

    I think it's pretty obvious. I mean, them not disclosing anything. [​IMG]
     
    #109     Mar 13, 2014
  10. Butterball

    Butterball

    Remember every option position can be replicated by being/long short delta-adjusted quantities of the underlying.

    Whoever bought the puts from the seller (the other side of the trade) can hedge themselves by being long the underlying. Depending on the exact path of movement of the underlying to expiration both the seller and (delta-hedged) buyer of the option contract can have a positive return on their trade.
     
    #110     Mar 13, 2014