What does gun violence really COST

Discussion in 'Politics' started by nitro, Jun 18, 2015.

  1. Whites used to keep Blacks disarmed, they wouldn't sell them weapons and they wouldn't allow them to keep them. That is why the KKK could ride up and take somebody out of a house. So eventually Blacks got all armed up and started killing each other... I don't live in a Black 'hood so I can't say I give a ratzass... Blacks hate Whites and want everything separate and equal so they can solve their own damn problems, no?
     
    #371     Apr 30, 2016
  2. nitro

    nitro



    Americans have always loved guns. This special bond was forged during the American Revolution and sanctified by the Second Amendment. It is because of this exceptional relationship that American civilians are more heavily armed than the citizens of any other nation.

    Or so we’re told.

    In The Gunning of America, historian Pamela Haag overturns this conventional wisdom. American gun culture, she argues, developed not because the gun was exceptional, but precisely because it was not: guns proliferated in America because throughout most of the nation’s history, they were perceived as an unexceptional commodity, no different than buttons or typewriters.

    Focusing on the history of the Winchester Repeating Arms Company, one of the most iconic arms manufacturers in America, Haag challenges many basic assumptions of how and when America became a gun culture. Under the leadership of Oliver Winchester and his heirs, the company used aggressive, sometimes ingenious sales and marketing techniques to create new markets for their product. Guns have never “sold themselves”; rather, through advertising and innovative distribution campaigns, the gun industry did. Through the meticulous examination of gun industry archives, Haag challenges the myth of a primal bond between Americans and their firearms.

    Over the course of its 150 year history, the Winchester Repeating Arms Company sold over 8 million guns. But Oliver Winchester—a shirtmaker in his previous career—had no apparent qualms about a life spent arming America. His daughter-in-law Sarah Winchester was a different story. Legend holds that Sarah was haunted by what she considered a vast blood fortune, and became convinced that the ghosts of rifle victims were haunting her. She channeled much of her inheritance, and her conflicted conscience, into a monstrous estate now known as the Winchester Mystery House, where she sought refuge from this ever-expanding army of phantoms.

    In this provocative and deeply-researched work of narrative history, Haag fundamentally revises the history of arms in America, and in so doing explodes the clichés that have created and sustained our lethal gun culture.
     
    #372     Apr 30, 2016
  3. Tom B

    Tom B

    She is "revising history" to support her political agenda.
     
    #373     Apr 30, 2016
  4. nitro

    nitro

    #374     May 3, 2016
  5. nitro

    nitro

  6. nitro

    nitro

    #376     May 3, 2016
  7. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Meanwhile, Chicago stats for the year to date:

    Shot & Killed: 170
    Shot & Wounded: 982
    Total Shot: 1152
    Total Homicides: 193

    Never reported because it doesn't fit the narrative and is rayciss.

    [​IMG]
     
    #377     May 3, 2016
  8. As should be obvious to all by now, Nitro is an f'ing twat.
     
    #378     May 3, 2016
  9. nitro

    nitro

    Never reported? Where do you live? I hear about this almost daily either in the local newspaper or in the news.

    As referenced by the article above, the more guns, whether in Chicago or anywhere states make them available and easily accessible, the more deaths and injury. Chicago or otherwise.

     
    #379     May 3, 2016
  10. nitro

    nitro

    I proposed one possible solution to the problem - gun insurance. I do agree that it probably requires at least two more prongs:

    • Gun insurance is required to own a gun.
    • More community policing in partnership with a more traditional police force. Police officers working the beat should give their phone number to all the people in the community. When something is going down, lots of eyes can bring attention to people that can do something about it. This is the way it used to be done before police officers were police officers instead of an occupying army.
    • A greater ownership of parents over their kids time. Gangs are dis-proportionally the reason there is so much gun violence in big cities. I don't know why there is so much gun violence in the south, but probably also the result of broken homes leading to poor education and the dominoe eventually ends up at a gun. If people didn't have to work so hard to exist two incomes instead of the traditional way where the mom was at least around to keep an eye on kids, there would probably be more parenting and as a side effect less violence, gun related or otherwise.
    • Decriminalizing drugs
    I summary, the problem as I see it can be summarized by two points:

    1. Guns are far more accessible than they have ever been. This is probably the easiest of the two problems to solve over time.
    2. Economics has lead to less effective policing and less effective parenting.
     
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    #380     May 3, 2016