What do you consider a good yearly return? (In percent)

Discussion in 'Trading' started by trade5656, Apr 16, 2017.

  1. Mtrader

    Mtrader

    The return my system generates with a reasonable drawdown.
    Because that's all I have, the rest is dreaming, wishfull thinking, so useless for me.

    What's the use of considering 12% a good return if you are not able to make more than 7%?
     
    #21     Apr 17, 2017
  2. m22au

    m22au

    yes, it's better than the long-term return of the S&P 500.
     
    #22     Apr 17, 2017
  3. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Exactly. Also I would make a difference between what you are trading and trading styles too.

    So we should probably divide account sizes into 3 groups, the bigger the account the smaller the expected and needed return. For stocks also the expected return is smaller than for options or futures. And styles, on average a daytrader should make more than a swing or one who holds it for days, weeks, otherwise what is the point in wasting time in front of the screen?

    Furthermore a good return doesn't equal making a comfortable living. If trader makes 30% on a 20K futures account that is very nice and could buy a nice Hawaiian vacation for 4, but doesn't pay the monthly bills....

    TL;DR: The OP's question was too generic....
     
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2017
    #23     Apr 17, 2017
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  4. cr8or

    cr8or

    I do not consider SPX as a benchmark. I trade for a living and need much more than that :) Hence, I trade with more than $10k and still look for profits above the 100%.
     
    #24     Apr 17, 2017
  5. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Looking is good, finding is better. Have you found your 100+ % strategy?
     
    #25     Apr 17, 2017
  6. m22au

    m22au

    OK - but that is a different question to the one that trade5656 posed in the first post. Your bills and lifestyle requirements are a separate consideration to the notion of a "decent yearly profit".

    Taken to an extreme, if one's lifestyle requirements were relevant, then a return of less than $1 million a year may be poor for a person who earns that much annually.
     
    #26     Apr 17, 2017
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  7. birzos

    birzos

    If you're profitable you're in the top 1% of people trying to trade, consistent low single digits per month is the core benchmark, once you go above this you are entering a world a few may have sporadically seen but only a handful can maintain.

    So in the teens percent per year and you're up around the same levels of knowledge as a millionaire, for your low risk criteria single digit percentages per year.
     
    #27     Apr 17, 2017
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  8. Return without consideration of risk and leverage is meaningless.

    I would say if you can do three times your biggest drawdown, you had a good year.
     
    #28     Apr 17, 2017
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  9. cr8or

    cr8or

    Agree with you, but have to ask what is the point of trading by ending a year with perhaps 10% profit? You are better of putting money in a hedge fund. I trade according to my plan, if I don't reach my plan I consider it a failure no matter if I made profit.
    Let me put it this way, a 10% per month is decent profit, no compounding means 120% a year even with a $1mil. starting capital.
    Cheers
     
    #29     Apr 17, 2017
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  10. cr8or

    cr8or

    Yes I am consistently profitable averaging 3-5% a day on my balance which is no 100 buck account.
    To answer the topic question: I'd say if you can't at least double the starting capital it ain't good.

    Cheers
     
    #30     Apr 17, 2017