"Flesh" is equivelant in relevancy to structure as I have previously addressed. Not coincidentally, it is the MIND that drives the imbalance of structure, as I have previously addressed in this thread. And a mind set on structure will indeed be hostile to the anatomy of the whole Self, and to God and neighbor. The mind fragments consciousness, while empowering structure...the very definition of separateness and fragmentation. The mind will attempt to snatch control and subvert the mastery of the heart. You do not know from these texts what "God's law" is. But if it has anything to do with UNITY of all things (ie. the 'Law of One')...then yes, a fragmented mentality won't submit to it. I have already stated that such fragmentation kills us, and that sin references what we were willing to accept vs what was REAL. And what is REAL is that we ARE LOVE, innocent, perfect, and unified with God, who is also LOVE. The alternative to acceptance is denial...which is what the term 'judgement' is all about. These judgements we've made about ourselves are the 'original sin', create the illusion that we are separated from God. "Natural " here refers again to the fragmentation of STRUCTURE, vs the unity of the Spirit and the 'Law of One'. This kind of "natural" is not our native state...which is not only native, but also remains still unchanged at the core of our being! That is the "good news"! This is folly to you, because as a child of structure, you do not discern this yet from a unified point of view...or from the Heart. Even so, you ARE perfect and innocent at the core of your being at the center of your Heart. This is the 'supernatural' YOU, vs. the "natural" you. The text has now been decoded. Is it clear? JohnnyK
I don't agree. There is plenty you could say and do. For one, you could stop pretending the Bible doesn't say the things it does say. As was the case in our previous contratent ( that's yer actual franchois ) in another thread. For another, you could desist from using Scripture - bad argument - in support of Scripture - bad reasoning. Using the perfidious and mendacious text of the Bible to try and support the inhumane and corrupt "teachings" of the Bible, does not help toward any kind of meaningful understanding.. You are simply insulting folks intelligence with it all, which may have worked 2000 or even 200 years ago, but is not good enough for today. Your method of reasoning is to post page after page of more and more Scripture.. Your reasoning for Scripture is Scripture. But for you to reason with me, you will have to reason why it is at all useful or acceptable for the inconsistencies, violence, depravation and deceit the Bible "teaches" , to in any way be worthy as explanation rather than culpability for the contradictory, untrustworthy, corrupt, vicious sinful dishonesty of the God the Bible contains.
Because I believe that the Bible is divine rather than human in origin I can not reason with you apart from it. I believe that the Bible is the word of God and you don't so it makes no sense attempting to reason with you apart from it. Unless you can prove WHY you believe that the Bible is not the word of God using Scripture then we really do not have anything more to discuss. This thread is about what Reform Christians believe and why we believe it. Not about debait and persecution of Reform Christians beliefs. Unless we can have civil discouse about the Text of Scripture then we have exhausted ourselves of this discussion. I'd like to speak with those that sincerely want to understand what we believe and why we believe it.
yes. may i consult with the apostle on such carnal matters as the future path of US equities, perhaps oil ? i await his reply. surfer
Aapex I could you post sciptual support for the fact that the names were preordained and have nothing to do with a humans reponse to grace. Personally I find the whole calvanist arianism argument to be silly in light of the fact that God is probably not subject to a human beings perception of time. If God is outside time than this preordained stuff is by definition meaningless. And being omnipotent God would know who was saved before that person was born. But that does not mean the person had no liberty to choose to repond to the holy spirit's call. So which passages of the bible indicate to a calivinist that man does not have any chocie in responding to God's call. P.S. Johnny K if your friend is better than bach or beethoven send me some tracks. I know some people in the record industry with major distribution.