What Do Hedge Funds Think of Technical Analysis?

Discussion in 'Technical Analysis' started by SunTrader, Jan 29, 2023.

  1. That's a big given, and not a just a single assumption. Maybe this Kelly stuff is just a bit too sciencey for me. :D

    However, if you could point me to an example where it actually changes the risk/reward ratio, as you seem to be proposing, I'd love to see that math. But please understand if I am not sufficiently motivated to seek it out on my own, and so I'll understand if you're disinclined as well.
     
    #151     Feb 1, 2023
  2. Zwaen

    Zwaen

    So, do you mean this as a "yes, look at all the money it will attract" or "it looks nice, but it is too good the be true, so a con or eventually funds which strive for this will eventually blow up"?

    (or both? ;))
     
    #152     Feb 1, 2023
  3. taowave

    taowave

    Lol,seek and thou shall find

    Fwi,it's very simple math..if I can get it,anyone can:)

     
    #153     Feb 1, 2023
    murray t turtle likes this.
  4. taowave

    taowave

    Its a YES

     
    #154     Feb 1, 2023
    Zwaen likes this.
  5. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    big hedge funds market themselves as low volatility investments - as a proxy for your fixed income portfolio.
     
    #155     Feb 1, 2023
    Zwaen likes this.

  6. Ok, than I must have did a poor job of explaining. What I was saying is I find it difficult to believe someone trades only on fundamentals and is an active day trader getting in and out of multiple positions on the same instrument based on purely fundamentals. That is some pretty counter intuitive stuff in the grand scheme of things. I am sure we could find an exception or two, but it seems like an exceedingly difficult thing to do, because even if you do it effectively you're likely going to be missing out on the larger move, which fundamentals typically lead to larger and longer term moves.
     
    #156     Feb 1, 2023

  7. Based on results of other traders I know who have had a long term successful career in day trading as their primary source of income and use TA as the primary focus. As well as the current results that I am seeing. It's not really about me thinking it, literally said what I did based on what I've seen and what works over and over regardless of the stability of the market and regardless if the market is buying to sell or selling to buy.
     
    #157     Feb 1, 2023
  8. Hmm how long have you been in the markets for? I’ve been on the pro side (sales-trading, risk taking, and portfolio management) for ~10yrs across banks, hedge funds, and asset managers and that’s not at all the view there.
     
    #158     Feb 1, 2023
  9. Not disagreeing there's other edges and ways to view the market. Like I said am constantly looking into other things, particularly hard math edges and have an open mind regarding additional things. Am very aware that I have not reached the pinnacle of what's possible.

    With that said it doesn't take away from the fact that most people have very weak TA and lack the understanding on how to use TA they do know appropriately. It doesn't matter to me what others do or how they view things. Very few people know how to actually intra-day trade at a high level. If you have all this experience I am sure you're aware at how a lot of people are making money and it's generally from a low hanging fruit method.

    I am totally fine if you don't believe what I am saying, that's cool. It's irrelevant. Just saying not impressed at all by what I've seen in the world of trading and I've met quite a few traders, including some that have or ran hedge funds. It's all good I am not trying to talk down to anyone or be rude. Just making it clear my stance.
     
    #159     Feb 1, 2023
  10. Wouldn’t you think that the people that actually get paid and make money in the markets would use the most effective ways to make that money? If that was TA wouldn’t they use it? You’re saying an amateur trader making $20-30k a year is equivalent that the risk takers and traders pulling in…billions?

    Idk dude, maybe you take the study of a rando as equivalent to a surgeon but I am not sure you’d like them operate on you…
     
    #160     Feb 1, 2023