What causes ETF inflows or outflows?

Discussion in 'ETFs' started by ajensen, Jan 18, 2019.

  1. ajensen

    ajensen

    I am trying to understand what causes ETF inflows and outflows. Is the following thinking correct?

    If an investor wants to exit a big ETF position, he can sell the shares on an exchange or redeem his ETF shares. Suppose the ETF trades at $10. If the intraday NAV is $10.10 he will redeem his ETF shares, get the $10.10 of underlying stocks, and sell those. If the INAV is $9.90 he is better off selling the ETF shares on an exchange. Alternatively, a market-maker may redeem an ETF and sell the stocks when the ETF trades below INAV. So ETFs suffer outflows when someone wants to sell and the ETF is trading below INAV, or when a market-maker wants to arbitrage the spread between the ETF prices and INAV?
     
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  2. Robert Morse

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  3. ajensen

    ajensen

    Thanks. So a big customer sell could drive an ETF price below INAV. That causes an Authorized Participant, perhaps the one that bought the ETF shares from the customer, to redeem the shares.
     
  4. Robert Morse

    Robert Morse Sponsor

    You sell the ETF, the buy and sell basket short. You buy the ETF, the sell short ETF, and buy the basket. They will only do this is the values make sense.
     
  5. 2rosy

    2rosy

    ideally, the AP would buy the ETF and short the constituents. at the end of the day AP redeems stocks from the ETF provider netting out the shorts. In reality, there's never an arbitrage. If iNAV is way below where the etf is trading probably the constituents are illiquid or something along that. Trading through bloomberg or tradeweb on large blocks is the edge.
     
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    And in the case of 2008, panic sellers, easy to see on the charts. Most sold @ worst time; but if the bear market/trend had lasted 3 years/+ like 2000,2001,2002, good timing:caution::caution: