What can I do about insider trading activity in stock options that cause financial harm?

Discussion in 'Options' started by joezapp, Apr 18, 2016.

  1. Maybe I am reading your post wrong but how do you as an option seller of OTM puts facilitate liquidity for other option holders to also sell their puts?

    Do you mean the other put sellers who sold for a much higher price and now want to buy to close at $0.15? So you step in and take the other side and sell those puts OTM and pick up pennies in front of the steamroller?
     
    #21     Apr 18, 2016
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  2. ktm

    ktm

    You've been "selling puts for years" and your first question is how to report or deal with insider trading? I've missed something here.
     
    #22     Apr 18, 2016
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  3. joezapp

    joezapp

    RRY16, thanks for the change of heart, and welcome back. I certainly have considered asking my broker what exchange my contracts were traded on. I actually have a relationship manager there that I speak with regularly. If you believe that the information will be useful to me, and not just informative, I can get the information in the morning.

    I did a lot of research on the topic before coming here...Options Regulatory Surveillance Authority (ORSA), FINRA, SEC. But make no mistake. The wealth of knowledge on this website is and always has been abundant. The elite trader indeed presides here, and this is definitely a "go to" source for information and discussion related to elite trading. There is always someone here who "knows" and is willing to share. This is a terrific website. I first "logged in" in 2007.
     
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    #23     Apr 18, 2016
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  4. joezapp

    joezapp

    Nothing like that at all. Someone has to be willing to sell, or else the buyer can't buy (at least not at their bid). Sometimes the bid is out there all day. I'm not shy about selling contracts for even a penny or two. They accomplish what they needed...to get out of their contracts...and I earn a token amount.
     
    #24     Apr 19, 2016
  5. OptionGuru

    OptionGuru


    Makes no sense.


    • Doesn't an MM have to provided a market for about 10 contracts?
    • A motivated buyer (as in this case) would Buy at the Ask - he wouldn't waste his time trying to buy at the bid.

    :)
     
    #25     Apr 19, 2016
  6. joezapp

    joezapp

    Many years. This whole millenium, actually. It's not my first question. You make it sound like I should know the answer. Guess I've been lucky. So what's the answer, then, ktm?

    As I said in an earlier post...I've seen it on a few occasions. I was able to let it go because even with the privileged information, the stock price still didn't get to where the option buyer needed it to go, OR it DID but not in time. This is the first time that the privileged insider scored on me, so this is the time that it's worth my while to spend some time on it. However, even though they didn't profit in the past and I let them off the hook, their actions were still illegal and worthy of complaint. Most recently, in a similar scenario, the option buyer missed his far out-of-the-money strike by a dollar and a day (the news came out on Saturday post expiry, the stock opened Monday near his strike).
     
    #26     Apr 19, 2016
  7. joezapp

    joezapp

    A) No. And, B) he bought some at the ask as well. Remember, it's Thursday afternoon, the option is rather far out of the money (over 10%), the stock's been rather flat all week...the minimum bid was all he needed in order to buy. Going double the minimum bid was being "patiently aggressive". As I surmise, and as an earlier poster surmised, the buyer (or criminal, as he said) was likely attempting to disguise his actions.

    Of course he can buy 300 contracts at market, which was 15 cents. That's not all that subtle when you're insider trading, is it?
     
    #27     Apr 19, 2016
  8. ironchef

    ironchef

    Apparently there are other retail folks out there doing what you are doing. I met a guy at my broker's free options introduction seminar a couple of years ago who did exactly the same. He claimed he had been doing that for 10-15 years and made enough so he quit his day job long ago.

    I asked him why he attended this class for beginners, his answer was: Just like selling DOTM options, he never refused a free lunch (which was provided in class).

    I welcome comments about this strategy's merit as I was actually very tempted to try it at one time.
     
    #28     Apr 19, 2016
  9. joezapp

    joezapp

    As with anything else, you have to know what you're doing, and it requires a lot of time and a lot of capital. Each trade is a small gain, and the tax return is very thick. I enjoy it, but it's not for everyone. One bad trade can wipe out week's of good ones. And, as you can see by this thread, you can be sharp and experienced and still get burned. If someone has access to information, and worse, privileged information, and you don't, you will run into problems.

    The old saying is very true here: It works until it doesn't. I'm holding the bag on stocks in my portfolio that were assigned to me years ago.
     
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    #29     Apr 19, 2016
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  10. Regardless of whether it was insider trading or not, you can't defend your loss because you are perfectly content running a leptokurtic operation. There is nothing wrong with that, but if you understood the risk, you wouldn't be complaining.

    I think all the time you would waste with the SEC would be better spent on improving your trading, or spending time with your wife, kids, family, whatever.
     
    #30     Apr 19, 2016