What are the views here on this "rogue" whistleblower Chinese virologist?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by TreeFrogTrader, Sep 16, 2020.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Twitter suspends Chinese virologist who says COVID-19 was made in Wuhan lab
    https://nypost.com/2020/09/16/twitter-suspends-virologist-who-claims-covid-19-was-made-in-lab/

    Twitter has suspended the account of a Chinese virologist who has claimed that COVID-19 was manufactured in a laboratory.

    Dr. Li-Meng Yan, a former researcher at the Hong Kong School of Public Health, went dark on the platform after she accused China of covering up evidence that the deadly virus came from a lab in Wuhan.

    “They don’t want the people to know this truth. Also, that’s why I got suspended, I got suppression [and] I am the target that China Communist Part wants to [sic] disappear,” she told Fox News host Tucker Carlson on Tuesday.

    Carlson responded, “I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt so I’m going to assume you’re not an anti-Chinese racist so it’s not clear why Twitter would shut you down or why you’re being ignored by the rest of the US media.”

    Twitter declined to comment to The Post on Wednesday.

    The whistleblower released a paper Monday on the open-access repository website Zenote that she says backs up her claims and shows how the virus could be “conveniently created” in a lab setting in six months.

    The paper, which was co-authored with two others, claims to note how “SARS-CoV-2 shows biological characteristics that are inconsistent with a naturally occurring, zoonotic virus.”
     
    #11     Sep 16, 2020
  2. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    She is a well-respected virologist. Have you read the paper?

    Why do you think she is risking her life?

    Please name the virologist that have stated her claims are circumstantial and/or fictional. Do any of them have conflicts?
     
    #12     Sep 16, 2020
  3. Ayn Rand

    Ayn Rand

    I have researched this in depth. The reason some are saying (Chinese are funding a lot or US research) that there is no way the virus emerged from a lab is that the covid virus sequence, especially the area needed for the crucial protein is scattered and is not a neat cut and paste.

    If you had a virus and you wanted to alter it in the lab the most convenient way is to take your desired sequence of code and just splice it in. Everything you wanted would just be in a row. This is not what we have here. The code needed is more scattered.

    However, just because the code is scattered is not definitive proof that the virus was not tampered with in a lab.

    1. One could alter the virus directly in a scattered way. More time consuming but makes it look like it occurred in nature. You are cutting and pasting very small parts of what you need. This would be a deliberate attempt to make the virus look like it occurred in nature.

    2. An alternative is to control the environment and breeding patterns of the virus to slowly bring about what you want. This refers to the concept of eugenics. You do not directly cut and past but arrange things to bring about a desired outcome that would be more difficult to occur in nature.

    3. Combination of both.

    From prior post

    7. Alternative - manufactured in lab.
    8. The RNA coding sequences of the virus are said to be too scattered to have been inserted by humans in a lab. This is the only argument for why it did not come from a lab. Weak.

    9. Perhaps scattered sequence done on purpose. Made to look like it was natural.

    10. Perhaps experiments were conducted to accelerate the development of the bat (RNA sequence very close to Covid but no spike protein) virus, via a type of eugenics a natural form of the virus emerged in the lab. Certain mating pairs where selected based on their genomes. It would be "natural" but monitored and highly influenced.

    Either found in nature or made in lab. Have not been able to find in nature.


     
    #13     Sep 16, 2020
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's start with Dr. Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University from the article I posted on the previous page....

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    But other virologists disagree and say the paper makes false claims about a number of basic facts. “Basically, it's all circumstantial and some of it is entirely fictional,” Dr. Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University, told The Daily Beast of the study.

    The paper leads with a claim that the coronavirus' genes are "suspiciously similar to that of a bat coronavirus discovered by military laboratories" in China—an assertion Rasmussen says shouldn’t be surprising because “they are related SARS-like coronaviruses.”

    The study’s authors made a similar claim about a portion of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein—which viruses use to breach and infect cells—and wrote that it’s similar to the original SARS virus in a “suspicious manner” and suggests genetic manipulation. “SARS-CoV also used ACE2 as a cellular receptor, as do other SARS-like bat coronaviruses,” Rasmussen says. “It is not suspicious and is in fact expected that the receptor binding domains that bind the same protein would be similar.”

    Rasmussen also said that the paper misrepresented basic facts about another part of coronavirus spike proteins known as furin cleavage sites. The authors claim that SARS-CoV-2’s cleavage site is “unique” and unseen elsewhere in nature. But according to Rasmussen, “Furin cleavage sites occur naturally in many other beta-CoVs, including MERS-CoV and other SARS-like bat coronaviruses.”


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    There are multiple other articles outlining disputes that virologists have with the paper.... most stating that Yan's assertions are not realistic.

    Here is one example quoting multiple virologists:
    'No Credibility in Its Current Form'
    https://www.techtimes.com/articles/...ing-sophisticated-laboratory-modification.htm
     
    #14     Sep 16, 2020
  5. Ayn Rand

    Ayn Rand

    Believe what you like.

    Again either the virus should be found in nature or cultured in a lab. The covid virus would reside in a mammal, near Wuhan, and come in contact with humans. No such mammal with covid virus has been found to date. I would suspect many, many, people would be looking for this mammal carrier. If found almost priceless. To date no such mammal found.

    The other alternative is made in a lab.

    'Banarjee is also skeptical about Yan's claims that the furin-cleavage, a part of the coronavirus' protein spike, was deliberately added to the virus.'

    Skeptical is not the same as false. While their is an anteater virus that does have a protein spike it is of a different sequence from the covid virus.

    Again - regardless of what people not working directly on the virus are saying - either found in nature or lab. So far not found in nature.
     
    #15     Sep 16, 2020
  6. LacesOut

    LacesOut

    Here is Dr Rasmussen’s explanation for SARA-Cov2:


    Why hasn’t she been thrown off Twitter?
     
    #16     Sep 17, 2020
  7. My view has been from the start....

    1. Bioweapon created by Chinese

    2. Escaped "containment" before the Chinese were ready to use it

    However, Yan claims virus was released intentionally.

    I understand the CCP intends to "rule the world"... but trying to do so with a pandemic bioweapon is probably too risky.... could go bad and kill nearly everyone, including the Chinese themselves.

    Let's hope Covid isn't a "trial run" for something more lethal.
     
    #17     Sep 17, 2020
  8. If it's a bio weapon, it's near perfect. People wrongly think the best bio weapon kills by the tens of millions. That's only great if you have to after action plan, but if the goal is to defeat your enemy and move forward then you don't want to end it all.
    Covid, if a weapon, is doing the job. Kills enough people to get attention, has some mysterious head scratching elements to it, not the least of which most of the infected have no symptoms at all. Perfect if you want to cause panic and chaos. You release it knowing it's not all that deadly, relatively speaking, employ your already strategically placed operatives in politics and media to begin the psych ops campaign, and watch the meltdown of the social and economic structure of your enemy.
    Again, if, if it's a weapon it's getting the job done. Chinese weapon or not, we can say with certainty than the left saw the opportunity to weaponize it for political reasons and are using the same psych ops to wage their war. Either way, we're under attack and better wake up to that fact.
     
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    #18     Sep 17, 2020
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  9. The chinese researchers are not innocent in this scenario and are biased in their statements about what did and did not happen.

    But the American virologists often are not innocent either, in the sense that they have an agenda as well. You can say, "yeh well, the truth is their agenda and they are just batting down conspiracy theories." That might be true where it is true but nevertheless they swim in an environment that is protective of the chinese.

    Attacking and challenging chinese researchers and their bullshit is indirectly or directly an attack on the WHO since the WHO and the chinese play on the same team more than some of the American researchers want to admit. They like to play the "listen to science and the experts" card to the max but the inconvenient truth is that more of the WHO experts are chinese controlled political hacks than they want to admit. Plus attacks on the chinese and the WHO involve Trump and the academic/scientific community has political issues there, and most of them are funded from government grants from the U.S. and WHO as well. So, again, I say they tiptoe or outright fend off any attacks on the chinese research community because it leads to attacks on the WHO, even though though they all know that the greatest attack on independent honest science is the type of things that the chinese government does to its own researchers. So it is complicated.

    No punchline here. Just sayin, I don't outright believe this chinese chick but I do recognize that there are forces at play that want to knock her down or prevent a full examination, for a number of reasons.

    Interesting the way the lefties love whistleblowers and think that everything they say is gospel and that they should be given an immediate and wide audience and protected and revered. Except when a whistleblower attacks China or Iran or one of their other buddies. Then it is racist to even look there.
     
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    #19     Sep 17, 2020
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  10. Perfect bio weapon indeed.

    The chinese would be more interested in killing our economy than killing people, not that that would not be okay too. But taking our economy down and the rest of the worlds economy down would be their goal.

    I wonder if covid is able to do that. Nevermind.
     
    #20     Sep 17, 2020
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