What are the risks of shorting Bear at $5?

Discussion in 'Stocks' started by himself, Mar 18, 2008.

  1. ElCubano

    ElCubano

    with 100% up room to go...where is that cat when you need him?
     
    #21     Mar 18, 2008
  2. Cutten

    Cutten

    That seems unlikely. If the equity is worthless without the JPM deal, then shareholders have a choice of getting $2 or getting $0 if they oppose the deal.The only rational reason to oppose the deal is if the stock is worth more than $2.

    Also, if the bondholders are the only buyers and are going to vote the deal through, then every other investor would be selling like mad at $8-$8.50, and hedge funds would be shorting the crap out of it. Bond holders would only need to pay a little over $2 for it to be rational to sell all the equity to them in the event of JPM being the only thing on the table.

    BSC trading at $8 and higher is a clear sign that someone believes the equity is worth >$2 and is prepared to back their view with over $1 billion.

    A short squeeze or dead cat bounce could account for say a 50 or even 100% pop, but not a rally to FOUR TIMES the takeover price.
     
    #22     Mar 18, 2008
  3. Shorts circulated rumors Friday helping the BSC crater.

    Today, on Cnbc, I heard Leisman say the feds said, do that shit again, you answer to us.

    Thought that was remarkable. the clip was at 8:58, but I can't find it.
     
    #23     Mar 18, 2008
  4. S2007S

    S2007S



    the equity is worth more than $2.00

    $2 is not a done deal...
     
    #24     Mar 18, 2008
  5. RAY

    RAY

    Bond Holders might be protecting their end of the deal. Paying-off any longs/shorts.

    To them it is a lot more that $2 or $0

    If the shareholders succeeded somehow the bond holders would/could be out 10's of billions.

    And you are right about being able to short and hope that everything stays the same. Feel free :).

    if I had 10's of billions of bonds i would be willing to pay off the brave shorts and the disgruntled longs.
     
    #25     Mar 18, 2008
  6. Cutten

    Cutten

    How many more posters are going to regurgitate this? Stop cribbing off websites and passing it off as your own insight - try thinking for yourself and you might actually make money instead of watching and then using after-the-fact explanations from journalists.

    It makes no sense to pay $7-8 if the stock can only be worth $2 or $0. Paying $7-8 only makes sense for bondholders if someone else is also prepared to pay those prices. Who is that someone else? Either is is a bidder or short-covering. If the latter, the bond holders can just wait a few days and pay $2.
     
    #26     Mar 18, 2008
  7. Cutten

    Cutten

    Yes I know, but the other poster (and 3 or 4 others who clearly read the website in question then regurgitated it on ET without accrediting the story, trying to pass it off as their own insight) said it was up because bond holders were buying to take control of the equity. Leaving aside the point that this means the equity *is worth* the price they are willing to pay, it clearly means that his proposition that the equity is worth only $2 or $0 is nonsense.
     
    #27     Mar 18, 2008

  8. More info on this please. What did Leisman do? What did the Feds say? What was the central issue.
     
    #28     Mar 18, 2008
  9. ElCubano

    ElCubano


    i heard it...
     
    #29     Mar 18, 2008
  10. or, manipulation so some big holder can pawn off his shit. But, nobody at Bear would do that, would they? They probably were all at St. Patrick's for the Sunrise service.
     
    #30     Mar 18, 2008