What are the most valuable lessons you have learned?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by HuntingBenjamins, Jul 28, 2023.

  1. rb7

    rb7

    ...and let your winners run.

    Basically, my profit is made of my big winners.
    Sounds easy at first, but we still need to implement it the right way.
     
    #11     Jul 29, 2023
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  2. Sergio123

    Sergio123

    I took losses whenever I got too greedy. I missed out on opportunities whenever I got too scared. When I find that middle ground, I do alright.

    I believe that is how it should be.
     
    #12     Jul 29, 2023
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  3. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Took me many years, even after being told by someone smarter than me, that markets move because they have to.

    Stops being hit causing price movement ... causing more stops triggered, cascading up or down.

    Now I'm not smart enough to "know" where all the stops are, just smart enough to follow price itself. That and an anchored VWAP or two.
     
    #13     Jul 29, 2023
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  4. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    95% blow their account
    How to be in the 5% ?

    Blow your account 58 times
    0.95^58 is 5% HERE YOU ARE

    Be patient, take care of yourself and enjoy the ride.

    Most valuable lessons ?

    BE MORE SELECTIVE aka. Trade less
    Play only the best games (Table, Player, Hand)

    Gamblers take every bet at every price.
    You don’t want to be a gambler.
    Don’t be here for the action.
    No EDGE -> No BET

    Perfect your Selection, timing & management.
    By management I mean … Best thoughts ought to outweigh worst ones.

    Eliminate the left tail from your trading,
    Insight from NN Taleb’s Risk incerto:

    Risk management isn't about being very prudent and careful - it is about eliminating risk of ruin so that you can very AGGRESSIVELY take non-ruin risks.

    Play great defense, Play not to lose
    But Play Very Agressively.

    If you want to invest then diversify,
    If you want to trade then concentrate.
     
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    #14     Jul 29, 2023
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  5. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    I don’t have the exact quote
    But Martin Schwartz aka. The Pit Bull had an interview not long ago with MrTopStep (Not the firm) where he said …

    The market is, in the short term, a liquidity seeking mechanism.

    No one really know where the stops are,
    But we can see when they’re being hit.
    Weakness, absorption, … can be seen
    Nothing is 100% but worth seeing
     
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    #15     Jul 29, 2023
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  6. Sergio123

    Sergio123

    Case in point....One of my largest daily losses (which I can recall) actually came just last Thursday July 20th. I was doing quite well upto then, but got too greedy the day before and boom I took it on the chin that day. I have recovered a lot of it back this week, but that day was brutal. It was definitely a lesson learned.
     
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    #16     Jul 29, 2023
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  7. mikeriley

    mikeriley

    Risk managed defined exit point every trade
    and price persistence.
     
    #17     Jul 29, 2023
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  8. Sprout

    Sprout

    Log bar-by-bar or event-by-event, backtest, make observations, define hypothesis, forward test, build stats of the method, iteratively refine.. build wealth slowly more-so than lose fortunes quickly.

    Holy Grail is you; transform one's own thinking/attitudes/perceptions/beliefs/values/actions/habits from lead into gold.

    It's a marathon not a sprint. Sprinting, while can be initially successful ultimately forms bad habits that leads to the Mother-Of-All-Losses/Liquidation.

    ymmv

    edit: No, you're not special.
     
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    #18     Jul 29, 2023
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  9. If you haven't been doing it for very long my suggestion is you stop doing it and do something else with your life instead... :)

    I like to keep whatever secrets I discover close to my chest, but I'd say a very valuable and general lesson which applies to all traders and systems is the math of expectancy. At the end of the day, week, month and year every trader or system is subject to the trader's equation and can't escape it.

    Simply put: you need to earn more than you lose.

    Note, I did not say that you need to win more often than you lose. In fact, you can have a win rate well below 50 % and still make good money as long as your average winner is considerably greater than your average loser. At the other end of the spectrum you have a high win rate system where your average R/R is 1:1 if you're very good or as is usually the case with these systems you risk more than you stand to gain, i.e., risk 2 to gain 1.

    So, spend some time understanding this mathematical equation and the various profiles (win rate/average winner/average loser) which can make up a profitable trading methodology.

    Of course, trading is rigged against human nature so when you start trading you may very well end up running your losers and cutting short your winners which effectively makes you a net loser anyway. :)
     
    #19     Jul 29, 2023
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  10. Sergio123

    Sergio123

    Too late for me. I am already addicted.

    But what would you recommend to do instead?
     
    #20     Jul 29, 2023