What are the general Win rate and RR of professional/Full Time traders?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by iamnewuser911, Aug 5, 2017.

  1. ironchef

    ironchef

    If you ask Taleb, his win rate was horrible, his RR was astronomical and he made enough so he could retire, lives like a king, teaches and writes books.

    Kidding aside, what is important in my book as a mom and pop retail trader, is to be able to beat a benchmark like SPX consistently year after year. Nothing else matters, not even risk adjusted returns.
     
    #11     Aug 5, 2017
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  2. 15% win rate and profitable.
    believe it or not
     
    #12     Aug 6, 2017
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  3. themickey

    themickey

    Is your 15% win rate the same as saying that 85% of the time you make no money on your trades? Does it mean only 15% of the time your trades are right?
    If so, for me I wouldn't be able to sleep. The risks are too high and although all indications were at the end of a period I were in profit, knowing that profits depended on a slim % of trades, I would myself stop trading that system :)
     
    #13     Aug 6, 2017
  4. Yes I do. How much is average winner vs loser?
     
    #14     Aug 6, 2017
  5. on my last run on a paper account i had 67% win rate on 140 or so trades over 15days. GPR of 4.6
    but it doesn't mean much as you can't compare these figures across strategies.
     
    #15     Aug 6, 2017
  6. GPR?
     
    #16     Aug 6, 2017
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  8. ironchef

    ironchef

    You sounded like a long side options trader in a bull market.:finger:
     
    #18     Aug 6, 2017
  9. Humpy

    Humpy

    It all depends on your system.
    You can be profitable with a 30% win rate and lose on a 70% one !
     
    #19     Aug 6, 2017
  10. tiddlywinks

    tiddlywinks

    +1

    "Win rate" is a meaningless metric.

    Make 3 trades...
    Trade 1 loses $100 NET
    Trade 2 profits $100 NET
    Trade 3 breaks even NET

    What is the win rate?
    Does the win rate indicate the soundness, capability, or profitability of the trader?

    make 10 trades
    7 trades (in a random order of the total number of trades) each lose $100 NET.
    1 trade loses $300 NET
    2 trades (in a random order of the total number of trades) each profit $600 NET

    What is the win rate?
    Does the win rate indicate the soundness, capability, or profitability of the trader?

    Without using values, even something simple like avg P avg L per trade to benchmark against, win rate means nothing. You can play what-if with win rate, that's about it. What-if trading metrics = sim mode.
     
    #20     Aug 6, 2017
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