What are the current limits of artificial intelligence? & their weaknesses

Turveyd · Apr 18, 2017

userque said:
I remember trying to explain the science behind microwave ovens to my Mother way back when. She had a problem with 'irradiated' food.

My motive was that I wanted a microwave in the house to facilitate the quick and easy cooking of hot dogs. But for that desire, I wouldn't have spent so many days and hours championing the fact that 'microwave ovens are safe--it wouldn't have mattered much to me that she choose to believe that they were unsafe."

Good luck!
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They hear radiation, think nuclear and switch off, no it's microwaves which are radio spectrum, which make the water molecules vibrate and therefore heat them up, no persistent radiation at all, arrggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!

Given up trying to explain that to any one ever again.

userque · Apr 18, 2017

Turveyd said:
They hear radiation, think nuclear and switch off, no it's microwaves which are radio spectrum, which make the water molecules vibrate and therefore heat them up, no persistent radiation at all, arrggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!

Given up trying to explain that to any one ever again.
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Thanks...but she gets it now ... after I explained it to her many years ago ... as I've stated. (I see what the problem is in this thread.)

pinetboltz · Apr 18, 2017

thanks for the responses everyone, it was great to see the inputs

to the topic of current weaknesses in state-of-the-art AI, it seems deep learning architectures can be fragile when dealing with context-heavy representations that combine multiple layers of abstractions, eg: https://phys.org/news/2017-03-deep-coffee-maker-cobra.html

Turveyd · Apr 18, 2017

userque said:
Thanks...but she gets it now ... after I explained it to her many years ago ... as I've stated. (I see what the problem is in this thread.)
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ZZzzz1 is a geek who has seriously bought into the coolaid, via the media hype and the general use of AI for absolutely everything these days which is annoying especially as most of the time there really simple concepts.

Zzzz1 · Apr 18, 2017

Well you could argue the same about a simple softmax algorithm. Some consider it strictly statistical learning. You move down the valley in small steps till you get get all the way down. The complexities, however, kick in when you deal with a non smooth function. When the error increases again have you really reached the global extremum or just a local one. There are better algorithms for optimization and that is where the lines become blurred between cognition and just a statistical optimization.

Anyway, let's not talk about terminology, it does not really matter.

sle said:
It's just an example where statistical learning and cognition learning are miles away from each other. My point is that what defines intelligence is not excellence in a specific activity, but the reasoning ability. We strongly distinguish between bright children and idiot-savants, don't we?
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Zzzz1 · Apr 18, 2017

I guess the bells are ringing, time to wrap up...

userque said:
I must say, you don't give up easily!

As a custom ML algo coder/trader and also as one who has driven many miles, and seen many dumb distracted and undistracted drivers, I'd rather 'human-drive' in a world where all other drivers were final phase AI (or ML or whatever you desire to call it ), than drive in the current scenario.

I also suspect there would be far fewer accidents in a world where only AI drove cars, than the current scenario.

I remember trying to explain the science behind microwave ovens to my Mother way back when. She had a problem with 'irradiated' food.

My motive was that I wanted a microwave in the house to facilitate the quick and easy cooking of hot dogs. But for that desire, I wouldn't have spent so many days and hours championing the fact that 'microwave ovens are safe--it wouldn't have mattered much to me that she choose to believe that they were unsafe."

Good luck!
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Zzzz1 · Apr 18, 2017

Lol, that is all your brain is doing as well, except not in a loop but in some sort of event processing fashion. Are you some sort of Right wing Christian who also denies the technology to clone tissue exists? Please let us know so I can spare my time. I am Christian but I don't see any contradiction between my belief and science.

Turveyd said:
BS, if you worked in AI every day, you'd know no computer system as yet has ever achieved intelligence, which is what the I stands for.

They've got better at making computers loop around and repeat not as simple as before tasks millions of times per second, but that is all there doing.
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Zzzz1 · Apr 18, 2017

Ha, I guess you did not grasp he was referring to your type.

Turveyd said:
They hear radiation, think nuclear and switch off, no it's microwaves which are radio spectrum, which make the water molecules vibrate and therefore heat them up, no persistent radiation at all, arrggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!

Given up trying to explain that to any one ever again.
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Zzzz1 · Apr 18, 2017

Which media? I do not even own a TV nor do I have a Facebook account. Just because you are apparently a science and technology denier does not make others gullible. You apparently know nothing about this space yet make all those wild claims. Who is the weirdo here?

Turveyd said:
ZZzzz1 is a geek who has seriously bought into the coolaid, via the media hype and the general use of AI for absolutely everything these days which is annoying especially as most of the time there really simple concepts.
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Zzzz1 · Apr 18, 2017

Thanks for the discussion everyone. Happy to have conversed with a few knowlegable people here, it's kind of refreshing and rewarding when one eventually finds the needle in the haystack.