We Will Not Go Quietly Into The Night!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by pspr, Jun 26, 2009.

  1. pspr

    pspr

    About those 50 (46) million uninsured

    http://bearcreekledger.com/2009/06/16/about-those-46-million-uninsured/

    Obama and Dhimmicrats want the US to move to government healthcare because of this supposed 46 million uninsured people in the United States. Notice they don’t say Americans. That’s because at least 9.7 million of the 46 million are non-citizens. The Census people don’t specify whether those are legal or illegal residents, but since we know there are at LEAST 10 million illegal aliens in this country, that number isn’t too big of a stretch.

    If it isn’t bad enough that Obama and his Democrat cohorts want this country to dive down the cauldron to socialism for illegal aliens the rest of the 36.3 million are questionable too. The point to make with this is that these illegal aliens and legal immigrants still have healthcare (that we all are paying for), it’s just that they don’t have medical insurance. The use of emergency services at hospitals is immense and is costing taxpayers dearly every year. In fact this alone is bankrupting emergency rooms around the country.

    Then we have those could pay for insurance but opt not to and hey, that’s their choice. Approximately 18 million uninsured are healthy and between the ages of 18 and 34. That leaves 18.3 million uninsured. Included in these uninsured are those over the age of 34 and earning in excess of $75,000 per year.

    So, for less than 18.3 million residents or maybe Americans Obama and the Dhimmicrats want the US to move to government healthcare/insurance. It’s healthcare though, not insurance.

    This is all about dependence on government. When there is dependence on government then government controls, not the people. Are you all really willing to give up your freedom and liberty for this shaman?
     
    #31     Jun 26, 2009
  2. Mvic

    Mvic

    Great points and this is definitely a component of the solution.
     
    #32     Jun 26, 2009
  3. i dont know how familiar you are with how the medicare /nursing home system works. i am just having delt with it. until it becomes a pull the plug situation the family is not allowed to make many decisions on how the system cares for the patient. you cant tell the doctor not to do procedures even if time is short for the family member. it is out of your hands. the patient can sign an advance directive,very few do, but even then that only says you cant take extraordinary measures to keep the patient alive.
     
    #33     Jun 26, 2009
  4. One of the guarantees in the Constitution is "liberty".
    Anything, I repeat, ANYTHING that stands in the way of one seeking medical care is an abrogation of that liberty.
    Our Constitutional liberties are not a privilege, they're assured us as our birthright by our Creator.
    The Constitution of The United States of America just happens to word it all very nicely.
     
    #34     Jun 26, 2009
  5. This stat seems to me to be useless. Of course, if you died from it, that was the greatest medical issue you ever faced, and probably the most medical cost you ever incurred. It's like saying "why do I always find what I lose in the last place I look?"
     
    #35     Jun 26, 2009
  6. With all due respect:

    Obviously, you're not a lawyer. Healthcare is not in the bill of rights, or anywhere else in the Constitution - it is a service that people pay for. That's it.
     
    #36     Jun 26, 2009
  7. I hope you're right.

    My fear is that this depression will last quite some time, unemployment will continue, and payroll taxes will drop inversely to the amount of people entering medicare/social security. Inflation too - will be a menace.
     
    #37     Jun 26, 2009
  8. The U.S. population is an inverted pyramid, with a lot of older people at the top, and fewer young people in the middle and at the bottom.

    The thinnest ranks are the 20 to 38 year old "meaty section" that we will depend on for the next 25 years to provide the taxes to fund public healthcare and other public expenditures.

    Sorry, but if anyone here thinks everyone in the country is entitled to unlimited health care expenditures to try and keep them alive, no matter how old and/or sick they are, you have no idea regarding a basic economic premise: Health care is the one industry where the introduction of new technology raises, and not lowers costs.

    With the approach you endorse, and a constantly morphing health care industry introducing new technologies, there is no limit to how high the cost of health care can rise. It could ultimately easily consume more than our annual GDP, let alone the revenues raised and allocated as a proportion of that GDP, especially in an era where the ranks of the elderly and chronically (and terminally) ill keeps increasing, while the revenue producers who aren't sick either remains stagnant or declines.

    Anyone who doesn't think hard choices need to be made and rationing - yep, there is that 'media-made-ugly' word - isn't inevitable, flunks economics 101.

    Newsflash: Rationing is already a fact of life in American Medicine. Go talk to your friendly health insurance executives.

    Go look up the definition of 'Capitation,' and you'll even see that your own, beloved family doctor is in on the (necessary) smoke and mirrors ruse with the insurance company.

    And to Pabst - I don't know if you were lumping me into another of your dramatic and gross over-generalizations: I am and always have been against the whole act and concept of abortion, although I try not to demonize those who disagree with me (so long as they've made a good faith effort to defend their position on some rational basis, with special emphasis on the moral issue, where I think they ultimately fail, nevertheless).
     
    #38     Jun 26, 2009
  9. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    If it were up to me I'd say NO!

    Me neither. At least not our bloated, incompetent, inefficient federal beuracracy.

    I will too.

    I agree, up to a point. We are all going to die sometime though.
    AND our nation is essentially broke.

    Personally I don't think illegals should even be allowed into an ER.

    +10
    Obama's "plan" certainly is.
     
    #39     Jun 26, 2009
  10. Illum

    Illum

    My cousin was in a coma. The doctor told his mother he was gone and not coming back, and she should donate his organs. His brain scans were all showing nothing. There was no hope. She said she would not give up. The doctor tried talking to me, to see if I could change her mind. I looked at him like he was crazy. He woke up a couple weeks later. Piece o shit Doctor. I have since taken my name off the donor list on my driver's license.

    Edit - Changed my mind for the baby boomers. They should have the plug pulled. Why wait for a plug, they should just be shot now. They have outsourced every middle class job in the nation. They even found a way to outsource jobs they could not send overseas. All for their stock options. Their parents told them to stop being a hippies and grow up. They never did, and they screwed the nation. I hope they get no end of life care. I hope they die now. The sooner they leave the board room and Washington, the better for the rest of us. I could care less about their ethics and end of life ideas. They are worthless.
     
    #40     Jun 26, 2009