We care about state rights they said...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Cuddles, Sep 17, 2019.

  1. I am probably the most critical Trump supporter out there:

    1. Trump University
    2. Demeaning women
    3. Multiple bankruptcies
    4. Unnecessarily weak foreign policy
    5. Trumps’s over emphasis on the wall
    6. High budget deficits
    7. Inappropriate criticism of the Federal Reserve
    8. Pardoning Blagojevich

    Even with all the issues above, Trump is still decisively our best choice for Executive leadership right now. I’m open minded towards Pete Buttigieg because he is young, has the right focus on poverty that no other Democrat candidate seems to have, and appears to be able to think creatively. However, Pete, as far as I know, has not committed himself to protecting the intent of our Constitution, such as our Second Amendment.

    Trump is business friendly and a strong, job creating economy benefits everyone, regardless of political affiliation. In this way, Trump benefits more Americans than any other candidate can. Businesses trust Trump and are more comfortable expanding and hiring under his leadership.

    In a nutshell, Trump’s proven economic track record versus the promises of members of a party who screwed up their own primary, applied faulty reasoning in impeaching Trump, and have supported criminal activities of their radicals make Trump an easy choice. As a bonus, Trump is winding down several long term wars.

    I can imagine the idea of 4 more years of Trump being unbearable for Leftists, but in spite of his continual vilification in the media, Trump has reached across the aisle several times as seen with his bloated Federal budgets (Which included emergency aid to South American refugees) and pardons.

    I see a load going from Seattle, WA to Anchorage, AK for $7400. This load is not scheduled to deliver after loading for 2 weeks. This may be allowing for weather, but is too long. Personally, I wouldn’t touch it for less than $11,000 unless I wanted to sight see. Anyway, trucking can be fun, at least for a while. Enjoy!
     
    #51     Feb 21, 2020
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  2. NeoTrader

    NeoTrader


    "Jason Cowley, the magazine's editor, has described the New Statesman as a publication "of the left, for the left."

    This is what the self-described "libertarian" again uses.:rolleyes:

    As usual, still not being able to argue what Milton Friedman wrote and trying to disguise the fact that your BS, trying to ridicule an idea that has been proposed and studied by serious economists, has been called out, you come up with a propaganda piece from a leftist magazine that doesn't even mention revenue/taxes (I searched the page for these words and they didn't show up on my browser, so that I would not waste my time reading leftist propaganda).

    Had at least the the article mentioned these words, I would have read it and gladly replied it to the point, since it would have at least stayed on topic, regardless of the source.

    But, being aware of your usual tatics to disguise your endless stream of BS, it was not a surprise that it was just more of the same: Bullshit.:)
     
    #52     Feb 22, 2020
  3. jem

    jem

    Most likely Piezoe does not even read the crap he cites. Its amazing how many times his sources contradict his points.

    Its why I know he has deficient understanding of most of the subjects he posts about.


    In short this is how he gets paid as a propagandist.

    His first post is a rewrite of something from vox or pro publica.

    Like the other lefties here he has become one post deep. (except with science)

    So for his second post... he tries belittle the other side. (lefties love to pretend they have a superior understanding... since they can not counter with content or thought) and then he includes a red herring type link from his paymasters approved compendium of leftist authors.

    His m.o. here lacks all intellectual integrity.


     
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    #53     Feb 22, 2020
  4. piezoe

    piezoe

    thanks for your interesting post. I read it carefully and I have a much better understanding now of where your coming from. For me there is one overriding factor. Trump is a dangerous demagogue with a serious mental disorder. Whoever runs against him with the most support, I will vote for. And I will do it regardless of their political persuasion so long as there is no indication they, like trump, intend to ignore the rule of law, and use the insufferably long adjudication process of our courts as an escape hatch. As long as the next President believes in the rule of law they will be kept in check by Congress, as the Founders intended.

    You mentioned this:

    "Businesses trust Trump and are more comfortable expanding and hiring under his leadership."

    This may be correct to some degree, nevertheless those business leaders that believe Trump is good for their business are making a profound mistake to support him for that reason if they want go on living in a democratic society. Jeff Bezos is one business leader, however, who is definitely not making that mistake. He understands that so long as Trump is in the White House he is dangerous...
     
    #54     Feb 22, 2020
  5. piezoe

    piezoe

    I assume you did not read the nice article I gave you a link to. I suppose I was expecting too much. For some, ignorance is self imposed.
     
    #55     Feb 22, 2020
  6. NeoTrader

    NeoTrader

    Indeed, which is exactly your case.

    Maybe you can't even read too, since in my reply I explicitly wrote that I didn't read the article because none of the words "tax or revenue"(which are the point being discussed) appear on the link you posted. So, you don't have to assume I didn't read it.

    My goal was simply to call out your bullshit and that has been achieved.

    TAX CUTS CAN LEAD TO INCREASE IN REVENUE AND THAT IDEA IS DEFENDED BY SERIOUS ECONOMISTS. THAT'S IT.

    You were ignorant to this fact based on the post of yours that originated this discussion, where you tried to imply with a condescending tone that this was an absurd idea. And now you just keep trying to disguise your ignorance with your usual nonsense. So, go on. I don't give a shit. I'm done here.
     
    #56     Feb 22, 2020
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  7. jem

    jem

    that is another trick.

    my thesis is that he has to submit all his posts for payment.
    he realizes his paymaster does not check whether his posts were responsive so even though you told him you did not read the post... he acts like that is a winning point.
    he has done the same thing to me many times in the past. its why we can be sure he gets paid to lie.

    basically he sends over well written non responsive garbage to his paymaster... makes a few bucks a day to supplement his Social Security check. He lives in an area where he does not think highly of his neighbors but the costs are cheap. I guess he has to be a propagandist.




     
    #57     Feb 22, 2020
  8. piezoe

    piezoe

    I have wonderful neighbors. You may have confused my neighbors with the State I live in. I have many valid criticisms of my State's governors and one or two senators and representatives, but not all. We are a poor State because we've made choices that make us poor. And we are proud of it. Ignorance in my State is in plentiful supply, perhaps not so plentiful as it is among the self proclaimed "libertarians" and "tea party" fans and other Trumpophilia on ET, but plentiful nevertheless.
     
    #58     Feb 22, 2020
  9. My reply to your post is inline below; Your post has been reformatted to accommodate my reply:

    “piezoe, post: 5018818, member: 45984"]thanks for your interesting post. I read it carefully and I have a much better understanding now of where your coming from. For me there is one overriding factor. Trump is a dangerous demagogue with a serious mental disorder.
    I see Trump more as a messenger than a demagogue. Trump represents over 60,000,000 Americans who felt they were not at all represented by the previous administration. The price of excessively partisan politics is resentment builds to extreme levels on the other side, like we saw after the Bush Administration and Obama supporters. Everybody on this planet knows Trump has his issues. However, looking at the total package, Trump is most suited to delivering what we need right now: A rebalancing of America’s priorities while removing ourselves from long term wars.

    Whoever runs against him with the most support, I will vote for. And I will do it regardless of their political persuasion so long as there is no indication they, like trump, intend to ignore the rule of law, and use the insufferably long adjudication process of our courts as an escape hatch.
    I hope to see you make the effort to go beyond what the media is telling you. Be like a juror and fully consider all evidence. Both investigations into Trump were flawed in many ways because they denied basic rules of evidence, search and seizure laws, and Constitutionally guaranteed rights, were politically based, and the charges levied seem to have involved conduct that has been regularly seen in other administrations. Again, the key for you to having a clear view of what is going on is to do your own investigation with an open mind.

    Speaking of having a clear mind, what is your opinion of Christina Blasey Ford’s conduct, Justin Smollett’s conduct, ANTIFA’s conduct, Strock and Page’s conduct, Michael Avenatti’s conduct, to name a few? As you’ll recall, most of the media and Leftist posters on this site have supported them and have yet to renounce their support of these people. How about you?

    What is your opinion of a criminal case where there is no conviction on the underlying charges, but there are convictions for obstruction of justice and perjury? How about when a substantial number of cases turn out this way? Anyone being exposed to hours or days of cross examination, being asked basically the same questions but in slightly different ways, will inevitably give answers that appear to be inconsistent, hence convictions for obstruction and it’s often related cousin, perjury. This is also known as a partisan witch hunt. Well?


    As long as the next President believes in the rule of law they will be kept in check by Congress, as the Founders intended.
    You see Bernie, the likely Democrat nominee as upholding the United States Constitution? Really? Do you also believe the Socialists who have been lusting for political power in the United States for over a century, have spent untold amounts of money (Sometimes even their own) and manpower are going to simply allow themselves be voted out of power when the electorate becomes inevitably disappointed with Socialist policies? Crack open a history book, please. I have, and you can sure bet many others will be referring to history and current Socialist practices to bring down Bernie and his cabal of Socialists.

    You mentioned this:

    "Businesses trust Trump and are more comfortable expanding and hiring under his leadership."

    This may be correct to some degree, nevertheless those business leaders that believe Trump is good for their business are making a profound mistake to support him for that reason if they want go on living in a democratic society. Jeff Bezos is one business leader, however, who is definitely not making that mistake. He understands that so long as Trump is in the White House he is dangerous...
    There are some entrepreneurs who are either a hidden part of the Socialist leadership or were offered special consideration by the Socialists should they gain the Presidency. These individuals are enemies of the principles the United States was founded upon.

    Socialism may appear to be benefit the bottom of society at the cost of the more productive members of society, but that would only be in the short term, if at all. After all, any system that rewards failure and punishes productivity will see the standard of living drop for all. For reference, compare the standard of living of those who are considered in poverty in the United States and much of the world, including Russia and China.

    A lower standard of living and quality of life for all may make us more equal, but that is not the type of equality I suspect most Americans are bargaining for.
     
    #59     Feb 23, 2020
  10. jem

    jem

    I can't help but wonder... shouldn't you move to California.

    Now you can do what many do here and only "live" here for 5 months and 29 days... but still vote for more state income taxes on those making 6 figures.




     
    #60     Feb 23, 2020