We are Fuc***

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Hello, Oct 20, 2010.

  1. Truly this is a thread full of patriots.

    (Yes, I'm being sarcastic.)
     
    #11     Oct 20, 2010
  2. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    #12     Oct 20, 2010
  3. Silly?

    Wow.

    Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried.
    - Winston Churchill
     
    #13     Oct 20, 2010
  4. Hello

    Hello

    Im a liberal?
     
    #14     Oct 20, 2010
  5. That is what is tough about being a libertarian. Talk to the leftwing nuts and you're a hard right conservative. Talk to the hard right conservatives, and you are a Neo-Lib.....

    Just can't win:D
     
    #15     Oct 20, 2010
  6. cstfx

    cstfx

    He calls everybody a liberal just so he can use his little cheesy emoticons.
     
    #16     Oct 20, 2010
  7. It's a little more complicated than that. I think the French want to protect their way of life. They don't want to become slaves to some job which only makes the corporate slave master rich. Can't say as I blame them.
    BTW, I don't know how you define entitlement, but SSN, Medicare and Unemployment benefits are not entitlements. We, and our employers are taxed to pay for those things. Nobody gets a thank you from me for taking my money, holding it for years/decades, and then giving it back to me should I meet their criteria. It's my/our f'n money!
     
    #17     Oct 20, 2010
  8. French riot police clash with students as petrol stations run dry
    French riot police and students fired tear gas and petrol bombs at each other while truckers blocked roads and almost 3,000 petrol stations ran dry, as nationwide protests intensified.

    By Henry Samuel in Paris
    Published: 7:17PM BST 18 Oct 2010

    Despite claims that it had petrol provision “under control”, the government said it had activated an emergency crisis cell charged with maintaining fuel supplies.

    The opposition Socialists criticised François Fillon, the prime minister, for failing to speak to the unions over proposed pension reforms, which would raise minimum and full retirement ages to 62 and 67.

    French government claims upper hand in bitter pensions stand-off
    “We have a prime minister who thinks he is Churchill but who is only Thatcher,” said Harlem Désir, the Socialists’ deputy leader. “He is trying to make us think he is carrying out great reforms to save our economy but in fact he is smashing our social model.”

    The Socialists, like the unions, want to allow the French to continue to retire at 60 despite rising life expectancy, saying the shortfall could be filled by increasing tax on capital and the number of years a person paid into the system.

    Mr Fillon said his government has already made concessions but would not back down on the two most contentious changes. President Nicolas Sarkozy said on Monday that the reform would pass despite the strikes.

    All 12 of France’s oil refineries remained closed because of strike action and many fuel depots were blocked by pickets. About 1,500 petrol stations on the forecourts of French supermarkets ran out of fuel, according to their industry association. Taking into account all other petrol stations, over 2,600 had run dry.

    The UFIP oil industry lobby has warned that France may see serious fuel supply problems by midweek, obliging the government to look at tapping some of the country’s emergency reserves. A spokesman for Exxon Mobil described the situation as “critical”, while Leclerc, one of France’s biggest supermarket chains, said the filling stations on its forecourts would “all run dry by the end of the week”.

    Youth protests turned violent in Paris and a string of major cities on Monday. Molotov cocktails flew outside a school in the Paris suburb of Combes-la-Ville, and police said they were even briefly threatened with a rifle-toting protester angry.
    Police also used tear gas to quell protests in the eastern towns of Mulhouse and Montbeliard and clashed with youths in Lyon who smashed a bus shelter, looted a fast-food cafe and burned several cars. Students briefly blocked traffic at Paris town hall and police hemmed in a group of 400 protesters on the Champs-Elysées.

    Lorry drivers increased pressure on the government to revoke its bill, which the Senate is due to approve tomorrow, by staging “snail operations” on motorways.

    The street demonstrations came ahead of mass strikes and nationwide rallies planned for today — the sixth in a little over a month. Half of flights to and from Paris Orly airport and a third of flights at Roissy-Charles de Gaulle and elsewhere in France will be cancelled as strikers plan to rally at airports.

    About half of France’s high-speed TGV trains were in operation on Monday.Traffic on the Eurostar between Paris and London was normal, although Eurostar services between London and Brussels were hit by a 24-hour strike by Belgian rail workers.

     
    #18     Oct 20, 2010
  9. Ricter

    Ricter

    It would not be a silly experiment (let's ignore the internal contradicitons for a moment) if the original social contracts were being honored. I refer to those whose essential principles were "trickle down", "invisible hand", and "a rising tide lifts all boats".

    A bit of socialism, that is, some attention to labor, is in order. No, it's not The Solution, but it does have its uses.
     
    #19     Oct 20, 2010
  10. At this point it does indeed seem to be the most viable option. Indeed, the founding fathers seemed to believe this would need to happen every so often...

     
    #20     Oct 20, 2010