waterfall decline underway?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by LT701, Mar 1, 2007.

  1. that is a pretty cool graph
     
    #21     Mar 2, 2007
  2. LT701

    LT701

    i'm not a big fan of elliot wave, on a daily basis, it's a bunch of hooey contually hedged by the ever present 'alternate wave count'

    but on big picture cycles, it can explain the three major waves of early accumulation, broad market participation, and blowoff top, with corrective waves in between, making 5 waves

    we may well have seen this since 2003
     
    #22     Mar 2, 2007
  3. 3:00 pm est.

    What happens there will tell the true tale of the psychology right now.
     
    #23     Mar 2, 2007
  4. LT701

    LT701

    that's a tough call

    if this really is the start of a bear, they've got to keep hope alive

    they've got to suck in buyers that think it's a bottom, they 've got to keep people in hoping for a better price to get out, that never comes

    of course, if it's not the start of a bear, then they're doing the opposite
     
    #24     Mar 2, 2007
  5. Mvic

    Mvic

    If we close here or lower (on US indices) and the EEM is anywhere near 107-108 it is a slam dunk short for Monday as the EMs are going open down big Sunday.
     
    #25     Mar 2, 2007
  6. I agree.

    But here's the problem. If hedge fund investors panic, which i believe they will (history repeating itself), you're going to see massive redemptions on the part of anyone who can get out (even before they get their statements). 1.5 trillion in hedge fund funny money, leveraged to the hill.

    This is exactly the type of thing that leads to cascading panic.

    Liquidity crunch

    Inverted yield curve

    Stocks crashing

    Subprime/Midprime loan crisis

    Greenspan dropping the "R" bomb

    Yen carry trade unwinding

    Emerging markets tanking

    Decelerating corporate earnings

    Wall street issues with order execution at the NYSE, and insider trading scandal, and backdated option issues



    What else will be added to the list?
     
    #26     Mar 2, 2007
  7. regarding prime broker or hedge fund blow-up:

    This on Bloomberg today

    "Goldman, Merrill, Morgan Stanley are almost "junk", their own traders say"

    i.e their CDS are being priced right at a tad above BBB- spreads while their official credit ratings are several levels higher well in the investment grade department.

    Somebody smells something I think
     
    #27     Mar 2, 2007
  8. Mvic

    Mvic

    You can add the spread between corporate's and treasuries finally starting to widen today, and not just the junk either.
     
    #28     Mar 2, 2007
  9. Can you post a link?
     
    #29     Mar 2, 2007
  10. I also forgot the inverted yield curve, which is further inverted now.

    That alone is huge.
     
    #30     Mar 2, 2007