Washington Post: Mitt Romney Tax Plan 'Garbage'

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Free Thinker, Aug 21, 2012.

  1. Epic

    Epic

    True, as long as taxes are increased during the expansion. Both sides try to use half of what Keynes said. It can't just be never ending cuts to promote growth and/or never ending increases to pay for programs and debt.
     
    #41     Aug 22, 2012
  2. jem

    jem

    not exactly ... he said you could grow your way out...
    there would be no need to raise taxes if you cap spending til the budget is balanced.
     
    #42     Aug 22, 2012
  3. jem

    jem

    I am not arguing all tax cuts cause the economy to expand enough to pay for themselves directly.

    What I am saying is there is no need to worry about that... angle.
    The Fed has been systematically debasing our currency for years.
    As long as that is happening if you cap spending you will eventually balance.

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    so cut taxes to stimulate - and keep cutting if necessary.
    cap spending....
    we will either grow into balance (hopefully)
    or inflate into balance
    or both... (likely).








     
    #43     Aug 22, 2012
  4. Tax cuts below the theoretical Laeffer optimum don't pay for themselves. Where is the optimum? Most definitely above today's rates. And why the heck are people trying to claim tax cuts pay for themselves??

    If you don't like the chart:

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    then go straight to the data:

    Historical Source of Revenue as Share of GDP
     
    #44     Aug 22, 2012
  5. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    Ah another welfare queen preaching the virtues of the rest of us paying more taxes.
     
    #45     Aug 22, 2012
  6. jem

    jem

    your statement and the naming of that green line on the chart is a complete misrepresentation..... yet your link proves my point..... perfectly.

    That is right check the data... you know what that green line is... is not
    revenue... is revenue as a percentage of GDP.


    That line shows shows what every american is hoping for right now.... and tax cuts made it happen in the past... .

    a. tax cut.
    b. GDP expands because of private sector growth. so green line goes down because economy expands faster than increse in revenues... but
    c. Overall govt revenues are up.... a complete econ win for the people... win for the govt.
    d. because the GDP is up higher the people are better off and the govt still gets more money.

    remember we are not trying make govt a larger part of the economy we are trying to make the economy larger and pay for the govt remaining stable or even growing a bit.

    you had it all confused.



    you just proved tax cuts work.... beautifully... better than I could have.

     
    #46     Aug 22, 2012
  7. I really don't have time to debunk a lot of liberal lies about tax rates and revenue, but the chart is an obvious attempt at gross deception. First it is titled "Do tax cuts increase revenues?" the chart itself however does not track revenues at all. It tracks the relationship between revenues and GDP, something entirely different.


    The implied assumption is that tax cuts are a bad idea because the ratio fell. In reality however, that is exactly what we want to happen. We want to expand the economy faster than we expand government's share of it. In reality the Reagan tax cuts lead to a bonanza of increased revenues.
     
    #47     Aug 22, 2012
  8. Ricter

    Ricter

    Lol! Not sure I ever asked, but what was your undergrad degree in?
     
    #48     Aug 22, 2012
  9. jem

    jem

    econ - B.A.
    almost went for my masters... went to work on hill for democratic policy committee. Wanted to get into economics for them.

    Saw byrd, biden others lie their ass off about the mail they were receiving on bork. (i flirted with and wanted to date the women in charge of the mail for Byrd... so she told me the real tally was very favorable for bork. In fact it was so pro bork... she was told to cease the tally.)

    In the economic policy room... the dems had signs in spanish which read the land belongs to the people who work it. all sorts of other anti american crap in spanish. and the funny thing was no one was spanish speaking there at the time... or very very few. It was mostly white guys with beards... very well groomed... and lesbian women. I worked for a few women... they were very nice to me but I could not work with such leftists... I had no problem with lesbians... when we had beers they would talk about setting me up with the girl in the mail room.... of course they did not know she was apparently not interested.... the lesbian part was fun the politics sucked.

    my political connections were democrat... so I decided to leave the hill and go to law school.

    but I rally wanted to go into econ at the time.


     
    #49     Aug 22, 2012
  10. Epic

    Epic

    Good background. BS Econ/Finance here. Also thought about masters, but no time while running my business.

    I commend you for your political efforts. Tough space to work for me. hard enough dealing with the politics of the corporate space, let alone the politics of the politics space.:D
     
    #50     Aug 22, 2012