Washington Mutual going under:

Discussion in 'Stocks' started by capmac, Nov 8, 2007.

  1. capmac

    capmac

    Will need to find a buyer by this Fri or FDIC closes the doors come Monday...
     
    #211     Sep 17, 2008
  2. Probably over the weekend FDIC closes it, no?
     
    #212     Sep 17, 2008
  3. Daal

    Daal

    WaMu Gets Waiver From Shareholder TPG on Anti-Dilution Accord

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=atepKeJe7jq4&refer=home

    thats the kind of thing that makes me leery of shorting very low priced stocks. in capitalism the system is designed to make the short seller lose money. I think they go under or get nationalized the problem is to stay short and solvent till then
     
    #213     Sep 17, 2008
  4. m22au

    m22au

    Thanks for the post Daal. Reuters have a similar article:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINN1720034220080917?rpc=44

    Although WM has a low price, its market cap is over $3b, so it's still relatively safe to short.

    I am unhappy that TPG decided to waive the death spiral provision, however I notice that the stock has been unable to maintain its initial rally on the news.

    One way to stay solvent while remaining short WM: Short the $2.50 or $3.00 calls instead of shorting the stock.

     
    #214     Sep 17, 2008
  5. m22au

    m22au

    This might sound a little too much like a conspiracy theory, but I'll post it anyway:

    Did govt (Fed / OTS / whoever) call TPG and ask them to remove the death spiral provision?

    Especially since we now know that the govt is looking for someone to buy WM?
     
    #215     Sep 17, 2008
  6. m22au

    m22au

    There is some merit to my conspiracy theory:

    http://sanfrancisco.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2008/09/15/daily52.html?ana=yfcpc

    As for who would be silly enough to buy WM, maybe BAC wants to waste some more money with another ridiculously expensive acquisition?

     
    #216     Sep 17, 2008
  7. capmac

    capmac

    Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 2:11 PM PDT

    Washington Mutual on the auction block

    Silicon Valley / San Jose Business Journal - by Mark Calvey

    Washington Mutual appeared closer to finding a new owner Wednesday.

    The Seattle bank (NYSE: WMU) hired Goldman Sachs (NYSE: GS) to explore a possible sale, while news reports said federal regulators recently approached Wells Fargo (NYSE: WFC), J.P. Morgan Chase (NYSE: JPM), and others about a possible buyout should WaMu fail.

    Goldman reportedly has been shopping the bank around for several days and has approached Wells Fargo, HSBC, Citigroup (NYSE: C) and J.P. Morgan Chase, among others, about a possible deal.

    WaMu has lost more than 90 percent of its stock-market value over the past year, and some analysts don’t expect the bank to turn a profit until mid-2010 -- an eternity in today’s environment.

    http://sanjose.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2008/09/15/daily64.html?ana=yfcpc
     
    #217     Sep 17, 2008
  8. m22au

    m22au

    S&P cuts WaMu to 'poor quality' of 'CCC'

    http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/sp-cuts-wamu-poor-quality/story.aspx?guid={1687BCB8-8E63-48BE-BB97-67C8F2542744}

    SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Standard & Poor's Ratings Services on Wednesday lowered Washington Mutual Inc.'s WM 2.74, -0.46, -14.4%
    counterparty credit rating to "poor quality" of CCC/C from BB-/B. "The downgrade was due to the increased likelihood that a potential sale of the company may not involve the whole company, which increases the risk of default for holding company creditors," said Victoria Wagner, an S&P credit analyst. S&P also lowered WaMu's preferred stock rating to "most speculative" grade of CC from B- to reflect the risk of default of these securities but affirmed Washington Mutual Bank's counterparty credit rating of BBB-/A-3. The outlook remains negative.
     
    #218     Sep 24, 2008
  9. brown

    brown

    S&P is ridiculous, yesterday they recommend hold, today they cut it. Come on people.
     
    #219     Sep 24, 2008
  10. And in the middle of this bail out purgatory. You'd think they could wait a day or 2 until this bail out BS is closer to being done to see what they makes them look like vs. kicking them in the nuts for no good reason.

    :confused:

    If the bail out looks like it'll be a saving grace for them, the S&P better come out and upgrade them like a MOFO. :D
     
    #220     Sep 24, 2008