Washington Mutual going under:

Discussion in 'Stocks' started by capmac, Nov 8, 2007.

  1. m22au

    m22au

    I was right ... then I was wrong.

    Plunged to $3.25 then proceeded to do a casual 20% plus rise to voer $3.95 in less than one hour.

    However the stock is more and more like a $0 strike price call option .... especially given the following:

    EW YORK, Sept 8 (Reuters) - The cost to insure the debt of Washington Mutual Inc (WM.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) hit a new record on Monday, more than reversing gains made in early morning trading, after the U.S. savings and loan ousted its chief executive and was put under special regulatory supervision.


    WaMu's credit default swaps jumped to 28 percent on an upfront basis,

    meaning it costs $2.8 million to insure $10 million in debt for five years, in addition to annual payments of 500 basis points, or $500,000, according to broker Phoenix Partners Group.

    The swaps traded at 26.5 percent upfront on Friday, and fell to 23.5 percent upfront on Monday morning, according to Phoenix. (Reporting by Karen Brettell; Editing by Jonathan Oatis)
     
    #191     Sep 8, 2008
  2. capmac

    capmac

    WaMu debt protection costs hit record-Markit

    Tue Sep 9, 2008 10:14am EDT

    NEW YORK, Sept 9 (Reuters) - The cost to insure the debt of Washington Mutual Inc (WM.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) hit a new record on Tuesday, a day after the U.S. savings and loan ousted its chief executive and was put under special regulatory supervision.

    WaMu's credit default swaps jumped to 31.5 percent on an upfront basis, meaning it costs $3.15 million to insure $10 million in debt for five years, in addition to annual payments of 500 basis points, or $500,000, according to Markit Intraday.

    The swaps closed at 29.94 percent on Monday, Markit data showed.

    (Reporting by Karen Brettell;Editing by Chizu Nomiyama)
     
    #192     Sep 9, 2008
  3. LET WAMU BURN.

    If the government bails it out (notice I did not say if 'we' bail it out), the national debt will rise again, and the market will not be allowed to recover on its own.

    When the Fed and Treasury tamper with economic cycles, they are merely delaying a harder fall during the next cycle. They are not making life easier for anyone in the long run.
     
    #193     Sep 9, 2008
  4. m22au

    m22au

    trading more and more like a $0 strike call option.

    I think the decline from $2.80 to $2.30 may have been prompted by David Faber mentioning the stock
     
    #194     Sep 10, 2008
  5. Too bad my mortgage doesn't go away if WAMU goes under.
     
    #195     Sep 10, 2008
  6. m22au

    m22au

    #196     Sep 10, 2008
  7. You have to copy and paste the link, not click, or it won't work.
     
    #197     Sep 10, 2008
  8. LOL gives a whole meaning to "havin' a forty"
     
    #198     Sep 10, 2008
  9. Wow.
     
    #199     Sep 10, 2008
  10. Aren't swaps up to 45% today?

    Coin toss bets.
     
    #200     Sep 10, 2008