Warren Buffett Says America Is "So Rich" It Can Afford Single Payer

Discussion in 'Economics' started by Banjo, Jun 27, 2017.

  1. piezoe

    piezoe

    It may be time for you to return to Brazil. Your compatriots are in power. You'll be able to reports to us first hand how much better things are.
     
    #171     Jul 10, 2017
  2. NeoTrader

    NeoTrader

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    It seems you ran out of arguments and decided to change the subject. That´s OK.:)
    I am still in Brazil, even though I'll probably leave soon... Again... :) That´s because the people in power here are socialist idiots as well, despite what the headlines say... The opposition of socialist parties in Brazil are other socialist parties...LOL Brazil is not a country, it is a joke... That is because almost everybody here is stupid enough to vote to get more and more socialist policies to drive the country further down the toilet. Maybe someday I'll move to the U.S. and become american.. At least in the U.S. about half the population seems not to be that moronic as brazilians, because they understand and see real facts as they really are and want their country to continue to be great country it once was and, in a way, still is. They still made a very poor choice in choosing the current president, but it is still better than the other choice that would sink the country even further in the socialist path. If the day comes and I become an american, I'll be there, voting for the libertarians and why not, arming myself as well.;):D
     
    #172     Jul 10, 2017
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  3. ET180

    ET180

    I live in the US and I am aware that government does provide food and shelter to individuals that meet some requirements. However, despite the best efforts of the Obama administration, there are some qualifications left to get the food and shelter...income, age, and disability are some of the considerations. But why was my question unreasonable? I'll ask it again. Don't people also need food and shelter to survive? Why should those things also not be provided to all as they are necessary conditions for health? If you want people to be healthy, they also need food and shelter.
     
    #173     Jul 11, 2017
  4. ET180

    ET180

    It's not the Terri Schiavo case. If it was, no one would have stepped up and wasted the medical resources and funding to save the kid. Some people apparently think they have a shot at saving him. Maybe they are wrong, could be, but regardless, why not let them try instead of condemning the child to death? In this case, the British govt. simply does not want to suffer the embarrassment in the unlikely case that the US healthcare system is able to demonstrate better results than their healthcare system. Either that or some people in their system like playing God.
     
    #174     Jul 11, 2017
  5. ET180

    ET180

    This is just speculation here, but I think America became great because it started with the right culture. What did it take to become an American in the colonial times? The pioneers had to leave their families behind. They had to sell or give away everything that they had and hop on a boat not completely sure whether the boat would make it to their destination and they all knew that they would never see their families and loved ones again. I can't imagine how sad and big of a sacrifice that must have took. They would be going to a land that they had never seen before. They literally left permanently to a place where they had no home. What's the requirement to do that -- courage and risk-taking. The pioneers were tough and the requirement to get here was a filter. You had to be brave and a risk-taker to come to America. We had a common culture of people willing to give up their lives for freedom. Sadly, that culture is not nearly as strong today as it was back then. If all the citizens in the US had to pass the same test to be an American as those first settlers, we'd have a much smaller country today.

    On the other hand, I do think socialism can work if the right culture is in place. There were strong aspects of charity among the settlers (I was tempted to call it socialism, but that's not correct because government did not force people to sacrifice for others). They did take care of each other. Of course, it was a voluntary choice, a true act of charity and not forced onto them by government. I kinda view the Mormons (I'm not a Mormon, but I had a Mormon roommate in college and know several Mormons) as being internally socialistic. From what I have heard, they tithe a lot (I think there's an expectation to tithe at least 10% of earnings) and seem to take care of each other. But in order for it to work, the culture has to be right. Culture is extremely important and they are not all created equal (cultural relativism is bullshit).
     
    #175     Jul 11, 2017
  6. I urge you to read more about the Charlie Gard case... You are just not aware of the facts and are relying too much on what you see in the media.
     
    #176     Jul 11, 2017
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  7. piezoe

    piezoe

    Temer, is if anything as corrupt as Lula or Dilma, and perhaps more so. One thing he his not, however, is a socialist! So in that regard you are getting what you hoped for. Good luck with that!

    All modern economies are mixed economies. This goes for Brazil as well as the United States. In my estimation Brazil's future is not bright under Temer, but we we see, won't we. Expect to see much civil unrest and a drift toward a police State, with the curbing of individual freedom and the clamping down on free speech and the jailing of dissidents and growth of the prison population. At the same time expect Temer's rhetoric to be increasingly disconnected from reality.

    The United States, in it's current manifestation, is a Plutocracy with fascist, socialist, and strong capitalist, elements. It is the least socialist of all modern nations, particularly so if you disregard its huge Military and the VA components. Come on up and join us. You are welcome.
     
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    #177     Jul 11, 2017
  8. NeoTrader

    NeoTrader

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    Again, as a typical socialist, you're ignoring reality and just believing what you want to believe. Temer was elected WITH DILMA, he was her vice president... They were allies, elected by the same people. This nonsense about he throwing her out of power is just plain stupid. These are facts. Above there is a picture of her taking power, right next to her is Temer and Lula, all holding hands.
    You speak as if I once defended him or any of the idiots in power... They are corrupt socialists(sorry for the pleonasm:D). I wrote clearly in the last post: "That´s because the people in power here are socialist idiots as well, despite what the headlines say... The opposition of socialist parties in Brazil are other socialist parties..."
    There are no people that don't believe in government intervention in every possible area in Brazil and the parties reflect that. The same goes to Democrats and Republicans... Both want to use government to intervene in areas that government should not take any part in.
    People in Brazil don't even consider the idea of government not taking part in every aspect of their lives, government intervention is just a given, and the misery and corruption that Brazil lives in shows clearly the results of this mindset.
    The U.S., despite having drifted toward this same path, still has a good part of it's population that is skeptical about the concept of government and that makes it a unique country in this world and that is also why it still is the best place(IMHO). And I thank you for welcoming me, if everything works out, I'll indeed move to the U.S.:)
     
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  9. Nighthawk

    Nighthawk

    You need defintely to read more! You are one-sided informed and you don´t have the full picture. Try again after reading this FED paper - which is actually released quite frequently:

    https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/current/z1.pdf
     
    #179     Jul 11, 2017
  10. I searched your email posts and "read" that you are a newsletter receiver of George Soros. Enough said. Not interested in anything you have to say. ON IGNORE!!
     
    #180     Jul 12, 2017