Warning to anyone trading through an LLC

Discussion in 'Prop Firms' started by t0pd0g, Mar 4, 2010.

  1. telozo

    telozo

    You, obviously, are not a fan of Milton Friedman, otherwise you would understand that regulation begs for more regulation to the point where a free market cannot function anymore. After all, what does free stand for in a regulated market. Of course people will get hurt sometimes, more than they anticipated when they took the risk, but by its nature, the free market will take care of that, while regulation will just create more distortion and mis-allocation of resources.
    Of course, the state is more than happy to regulate everything to the hilt - that way politicians show that they care about people that "voted" them in, but we all know that the paternalistic reasoning never works. We are all mature human beings that like to think for themselves.

     
    #11     Mar 7, 2010
  2. telozo

    telozo

    One more thing. Those Chinese and Japanese and German investors that bought those AAA rated government products entered into a contract, and they have every right to ask questions, that much I agree, but a breach of contract is settled in court, not by adding more regulation, and I thought that was pretty clear to most, apparently not so. They think they have been duped by rating agencies, they have every right to sue them, or everyone they like.

     
    #12     Mar 7, 2010
  3. I am never for overregulation, please dont get me wrong. But I think its time to close down a number of fx bucket shops whose pure existence serves to pull money out of peoples pockets through at the very least questionable methods. I think its no secret that successful traders get shut down at firms such as FXCM or the like.

    100:1 leverage is insane and, again, I dont care if some guy hangs himself and completely blows up but the problem is that this has repercussions for the whole system and negatively affects a lot others. Dont you see what is going on really? Years ago, would retail have touched options? No way. But why not. Options were around for some time, fairly priced most of the time, and traded on orderly exchanges. Its a recent trend that retails chases riskier and riskier asset classes at higher and higher leverage levels because black sheep in this industry try to convince the masses that one can get rich overnight. Thats a lie. Nobody gets rich overnight. Trading is a marathon not a sprint.

    I dont want overregulation but limiting leverage is a VERY PRUDENT thing to do right now. If some people dont understand that then its THEIR OWN problem, it does not make the fact wrong that risk and leverage needs to be reduced to return to a normal state in this economy.

     
    #13     Mar 7, 2010
  4. All I was saying in regards to US government bonds was that investors did not sign up for assuming crazy risk but risk equivalent to the credit worthiness, liquidity risk, and interest rate risk of a AAA rated country.

    The same goes with the average retail guy. When opening a brokerage account nobody signed up to be called at some day to hear the firm went under because some of its clients took huge risk and could not cover anymore what they were due just because they took outrageously leveraged risk. A client also does not want to end up with having funds stolen through delayed trades, trades executed at 100-200 pips away from the market which some shops call slippage (LOL) or the like. Curbing fx leverage will directly affect most of the bucket shops and hopefully force most of them to close shop which is in the best interest for the majority of people.


    Whether the US still deserves its AAA rating is another question which I dont want to discuss.


     
    #14     Mar 7, 2010
  5. what about Prop firms opening LLC sub accounts thru CBOE firms? Are they really registered with the SEC that way? Or is this just another loophole to bypass FINRA registration?
     
    #15     Mar 7, 2010
  6. nyctech1

    nyctech1

    So is the SEC making an example of Warrior saying you are not allowed to have an LLC (branch/subsidiary) with a broker-dealer in any capacity?? Because I don't see what Warrior was doing wrong from glancing at the report. I would also like to know if this applies to CBOE firms as well??
     
    #16     Mar 7, 2010
  7. SEC should just shut down every prop firm. This all would be less headache. IMO I can't even find a decent place to hold my licenses. good grief.
     
    #17     Mar 7, 2010
  8. zdreg

    zdreg

    #18     Mar 7, 2010
  9. Agassi

    Agassi

    well said...
     
    #19     Mar 7, 2010
  10. It is very simple. Every unregistered prop firm should be registered with the SEC and be required to file quarterly statements and pay the fees. daytraders should be protected too from all the shenanigans going on with all these unmonitored sub llc accounts.

    Before I put up I want to know how much money the prop firm has under its wings and not worry about some shady chop shop going under any day.

    IMO
     
    #20     Mar 7, 2010