Warning: The Next Wave Down Starts Now

Discussion in 'Trading' started by jackstone54, Apr 9, 2008.

  1. See this absolutely proves you have no understanding of what I am saying.

    The fact that we are still in a bull trend is not a prediction. It is a statement of fact. If the trend gets broken I will be bearish. Why would I need to apologize for pointing out a fact?
     
    #111     Apr 15, 2008
  2. I'm bearish too, and you may be right about direction, but your reasoning behind it is dead wrong. this is like stock_trad3r and hedgefundwannabe2 but bearish
     
    #112     Apr 15, 2008
  3. Hey guys, it doesnt matter, I was right about the market and you were clearly wrong. Your nice fancy charts didnt do anything for you. Dont you think its about time to get out of the library?
     
    #113     Apr 15, 2008
  4. You still don't get it.

    It's not a prediction. I can't be wrong!!!!
     
    #114     Apr 15, 2008
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    Im looking at the ES now and the strength is impressive, however, the price isnt that strong. Not getting over the 20 day.

    This will be another dead cat bounce.
     
    #115     Apr 16, 2008
  6. Cutten

    Cutten

    Well, if you define "bull trend" as intact despite a 20% correction, then yes we are still in a bull trend. That doesn't alter the fact that over the last 6-7 months there has been far more profit on the short side than the long side. Staying long from S&P 1575 has been a terrible position. Being short from that same level has been an excellent trade.

    One question I would ask - at what point does the "bull trend", by your definition, become broken? S&P 1200? 1100? 1000? Or do we have to go all the way back to the 2002 lows around 770? At what point would you be proven wrong?
     
    #116     Apr 16, 2008
  7. I didn't make the rules for P&F trends. Yes, if you have an extremely strong bull market it is possible to have greater than a 20% correction and still be in a bull market. All trends are 45 degrees with p&f charting. X's represent upward movement after a reversal. 0's represent downward movement after a reversal. Since there can never be two x columns in a row, or two 0 columns in a row the breaking of trend is on a sliding scale.

    Right now we are in an x column. To break trend the next 0 column would have to make it to 128(SPY). If the next 0 column fails to do this then it moves up the line by 4 points in this case and 132 becomes the next trend breaker. This is displayed in the chart below.

    Yes, there was more money on the downside, and no I DID NOT STAY LONG THIS ENTIRE TIME. You have trends within trends to watch that will tell you when to get out, as well as the bullish percent indicator. It's a two step process.

    All that said, I am not saying anything other than the trend exists, and it is still intact. Everyone has there own trading styles, and this is my methodology. From a trending standpoint I believe it is the best methodology, but to each his own.
     
    #117     Apr 16, 2008
  8. Since I threw the last chart in, I will also include the bullish % indicator which clearly shows we have be rising since January. When I see an x column in the bullish %, and a bull trend still exiisting, I will be looking for longs.
     
    #118     Apr 16, 2008
  9. Hehehe. All I can say is "Food riot in progress"...;)
     
    #119     Apr 16, 2008
  10. Holygrail's logic is so confusing. We have to make it to 128 then it becomes a bear market at which point we should start shorting and you should go ahead and get out of your long positions.

    He comes up with this Hershey-esque post to make him look real smart while everyone who is long is losing their shirt...

     
    #120     Apr 16, 2008