Warning from Chomsky to left: ANTIfa is bad strategy

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Jack.Yarn, Aug 20, 2017.

  1. Published on Aug 18, 2017
    Noam Chomsky Says Antifa Is A "Major Gift" To The Right-Wing And Denounces Violence On Left

    Noam Chomsky: Antifa is a 'major gift to the Right'.

    The left-wing "Antifa" movement is rising in prominence after clashing with white supremacists in Charlottesville, Va., but one progressive scholar says the anti-fascists feed the fire they seek to extinguish.

    "As for Antifa, it's a minuscule fringe of the Left, just as its predecessors were," Noam Chomsky told the Washington Examiner. "It's a major gift to the Right, including the militant Right, who are exuberant."

    Many activists affiliated with the loosely organized Antifa movement consider themselves anarchists or socialists. They often wear black and take measures to conceal their identity.

    "When confrontation shifts to the arena of violence, it's the toughest and most brutal who win – and we know who that is," said Chomsky, a professor emeritus of linguistics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "That's quite apart from the opportunity costs – the loss of the opportunity for education, organizing, and serious and constructive activism."

    The violence in Charlottesville ended Saturday when an alleged white supremacist drove a car into a crowd of anti-racism activists, not all of whom were Antifa activists, killing 32-year-old Heather Heyer and injuring more than a dozen others. The driver has been charged with murder.

    On Tuesday, Trump shocked viewers of a press conference, including prominent members of his own party, by saying "both sides" deserved blame for the violence. Critics said the president should single out white supremacists for scorn.

    "There was a group on this side, you can call them the Left, you've just called them the Left, that came violently attacking the other group," Trump said on Tuesday. "So, you can say what you want, but that's the way it is."

    Where Antifa fits in a historical context of progressive activism is not yet clear, but some observers see the increasingly prominent movement — members of which were mass-arrested at Trump's inauguration after a march that featured window-smashing — as becoming an important, accepted part of the mainstream Left.

    Mark Lance, professor of justice and peace at Georgetown University, said the Antifa movement's rise is a clear response to more open fascist organizing.

    "I'm seeing more concrete productive discussion between anti-fascists and others on the Left these days than ever before in my life," Lance said.

    "There is reason to think that it will become integrated into an emerging coalition that includes Sanders supporters, democratic socialists, dreamers, the Movement for Black Lives, environmentalists, [and] Native American organizers," he said.

    Lance said Antifa actions "need not be violent confrontation, but most Antifa, in practice, are willing to physically resist fascist marches and defend themselves against fascist attack." Lance said he doesn't see a close historical reference in leftist groups that formed in the 1960s like the Black Panthers or the Weather Underground, which conducted a bombing campaign aimed largely at damaging property. Both were primarily focused on government institutions, he said.

    "There's some limited similarity to the Weather Underground," Chomsky said about the group that grew out of the anti-Vietnam War movement. He added, however, that "Weathermen differed not only in radically different context, but also in tactics, almost always against property, in intent at least."

    Anti-fascism during the rise of Nazism in Germany is perhaps a better analogy for today's Antifa, said Chomsky, who expressed alarm at Trump's remarks. He clarified that in Germany, "left violence was hardly the problem."
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  3. Antifa: The Antifascist Handbook Kindle Edition
    byMark Bray(Author)

    In the wake of tragic events in Charlottesville, VA, and Donald Trump's initial refusal to denounce the white nationalists behind it all, the "antifa" opposition movement is suddenly appearing everywhere. But what is it, precisely? And where did it come from?

    As long as there has been fascism, there has been anti-fascism — also known as “antifa.” Born out of resistance to Mussolini and Hitler in Europe during the 1920s and ’30s, the antifa movement has suddenly burst into the headlines amidst opposition to the Trump administration and the alt-right. They could be seen in news reports, often clad all in black with balaclavas covering their faces, fighting police at the presidential inauguration, and on California college campuses protesting right-wing speakers, and most recently, on the streets of Charlottesville, VA.

    Simply, antifa aims to deny fascists the opportunity to promote their oppressive politics — by any means necessary. Critics say shutting down political adversaries is anti-democratic; antifa adherents argue that the horrors of fascism must never be allowed the slightest chance to triumph again.

    In a smart and gripping investigation, historian and former Occupy Wall Street organizer Mark Bray provides a one-of-a-kind look inside the movement, including a detailed survey of its history from its origins to the present day — the first transnational history of postwar anti-fascism in English. Based on interviews with anti-fascists from around the world, Antifa details the tactics of the movement and the philosophy behind it, offering insight into the growing but little understood resistance fighting back against the alt-right.

     
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    Elites must be pissing their pants with laughter seeing these antifa clowns making headlines.
     
  5. Nearly impossible that they would listen, but my advice to ANTIfa, just...


     
  6. The anti-fascist fascists go too far for the likes of Chomsky, get condemned by the ACLU, and what do the media and democratic leadership say about it? Go further left, excuse and endorse the violence, incite and make threats of further violence. But Trump is the problem?
     
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  7. The easier tactic will be to give Trump a lot of praise for changing his stance. He will have the national guard out to shoot the fascists if he gets a statue placed by the left.

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  8. Antifa guarantees Trump a 2nd term.
     
  9. Peilthetraveller, you are to the democrats what Hannibal and his mighty war elephants were to the to the Romans. You alone guarantee Trump a 2nd term.
     
  10. Your implicit connection of "further left" and "violence" is either flawed thinking or self-delusion. Look in the mirror - the far left and far right have the same grievances, just that we differ in how to resolve the problem. The biggest trick is that they have divided us into believing we are each others enemy.

    The center stands for nothing but the continuation of their power.

    I don't disagree with the rest of your statement. That you hone in on the media is interesting, but you don't make the further connection of what is the purpose of the media - to divide and conquer by obfuscating or not covering anything that is contrary to the advertisers.

    As long as you continue to think that the right or the left is the answer, or worse, the problem, we will continue to be in this rat hole of existence.

    The system is the problem. The premises under which the foundation is built are bankrupt.
     
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