I will not waste my time or the boards time to refute your stupid and downright personal attacks on me. Learning about something is a gradual process. I was involved in trading and the futures markets since 1987/88 That fact that I asked questions on a board like this and purchase a system (one of many I currently own) about turtle trading proves nothing - only in your little obsessive mind. If you think I am a fluke fine - you opinion matters to me as much as a fart blowing in the wind...