Wait, is this actually how people scalp?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by 1a2b3cppp, Jul 17, 2018.

  1. bone

    bone

    Here's a better idea. Get ahold of Advantage Futures or RJ O'Brien or Rosenthal Collins Group in Chicago or New York City.

    Ask one of their account reps if you can go to their office and watch the 6E, ES, CL, ZN markets on an X-Trader DOM window between 9 am to 10 am Eastern US time.

    It will save you a great deal of time and possibly money. It will answer all your questions.

    Tradovate and sim charts and all of that retail gimmickry mean nothing compared to you physically sitting down 18 inches away from a screen with the real market in real time on a real connection on a real platform.
     
    #131     Jul 24, 2018
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  2. If I had a million dollars I would change my own oil...go figure. Wifey says I jump over "c" notes to pick up pennies...I guess my dreams of scalping retail are not realistic...I am not quite ready to give up it's just that this is harder than I thought.

    ES

    I think trading sim than toggling to live when the conditions present themselves are the way to beat this system of HFT's. Use the sim to see how things are trading and what the conditions are with how the sim trades are filled...What do you folks think about this? It's important to me as I don't want to waste the next 6 months of my time.



     
    #132     Jul 24, 2018
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    #133     Jul 24, 2018
  4. This is how I take money, this is ES Today
     
    #134     Jul 24, 2018
  5. This is A tool I use, it is a Fibinocci top and bottom fan, I can't say too much about it because it is a work in progress.
     
    #135     Jul 24, 2018
  6. maxinger

    maxinger

    I classify day traders into 3 categories:


    light scalpers
    they trade few lots in a day.
    they look at charts. they target reward risk ratio > 2:1

    medium scalpers
    they trade tens of lots in a day.
    they target RR > 1:1
    they take every twist and turn from the charts.

    heavy scalpers.
    they trade hundreds of lots in a day.
    they pay heavy commissison. so they'd better be exchange member to enjoy discount on commission. they look at ladders and not charts. they target 1 or 2 ticks profit for each trade. occassionally they might stretch target profit.
    Exchange people loves such traders.


    so there are many ways to profit from the market.
    choose whatever that suits you.
     
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    #136     Jul 24, 2018
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  7. bone

    bone

    Yeah, what we have here is a nomenclature disconnect about what “scalping” is.
     
    #137     Jul 24, 2018
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  8. you quoted me but did not post anything.
     
    #138     Jul 25, 2018
  9. Electricsavant was talking about this:

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    #139     Jul 25, 2018
  10. bone

    bone

    The reason I don't place much stock in exchange futures VAP personally is because it is a very incomplete picture. How many CL scalpers would shit their pants if they had a WebICE CL Swaps feed and could see the 2K, even 5K blocks that get traded within a cent or two of the last price print ? It's a common occurrence. Happens every day.

    Let's say that you're scalping ZN. There's no way that most traders are going to know the swaps and the cash market volume that is trading concurrently with the futures. Literally hundreds of millions of notional dollars of valuation can trade at a futures analog price in all sorts of swaps in addition to the on-the-run and off-the-run cash markets.

    Let's say that you're scalping ES. Would your bias change if you knew what was trading in the dark pools?
     
    #140     Jul 25, 2018