Wagner Russian Coup

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Sprout, Jun 23, 2023.

  1. themickey

    themickey

    The irony, please continue with your russian government cultism.
     
    #141     Jul 1, 2023
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  2. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    VP cannot withhold aid, you are a moron.
     
    #142     Jul 1, 2023
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  3. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    I am. We are. You have a mental condition. Probably not eating enough pizza or putting on wrong toppings. Pizza fixes everything, you are broken so deficient.
     
    #143     Jul 1, 2023
  4. Mercor

    Mercor

    #144     Jul 1, 2023
  5. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    Yes

    BBC Verify has looked at dozens of videos taken during the fighting between Wagner troops and Russian forces.

    It has been confirmed that a military plane was downed near the town of Kantemirovka.

    This had been widely reported on various social media channels as an Ilyushin Il-22 - a valuable aircraft for the Russian armed forces to lose.

    Pictures of the wreckage were posted on social media, and from the debris, it does appear to be to be an Il-22M, an updated version of the Il-22. The words "Russian Air Force" are visible on the main section.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66031403
     
    #145     Jul 1, 2023
  6. Mercor

    Mercor

    Thanks

    Although none of the links would pass as evidence in a court of law
     
    #146     Jul 1, 2023
  7. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    Well, the claim is a conspiracy theory and opinion piece of a Russian pro-Putin war supporter who works for Fox News.
     
    #147     Jul 1, 2023
  8. Mercor

    Mercor

    In the article she lays her case....
    You are the conspiracy hound (Putin & fox news means she is a commie sympathizer)
    You are in good company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy
     
    #148     Jul 1, 2023
  9. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    What case? Where is the evidence?

    She presents no evidence, her entire claim is 'think about it' about no damage done to Russian military which as I showed is a complete lie. It was even reported on Fox News

    Prigozhin said he regretted downing the Russian aircraft but deemed it necessary to protect Wagner forces advancing on Moscow

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/wagne...g-elite-airborne-command-and-control-uk-intel

    Here are her some other articles

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    Following President Zelenskyy's speech to Congress Wednesday, analyst Rebekah Koffler takes a look at what his speech means, and whether more U.S. aid will help defeat Putin.
     
    #149     Jul 1, 2023
  10. Mercor

    Mercor

    Here is her case

    None seemed to realize the obvious truth: The coup was staged, and completely faked false flag operation.

    The "coup" was staged. The only question is, why would Putin stage such an elaborate deception?

    And the answer is politics. The Russian strongman is up for re-election on March 17, 2024. With no end in sight to the Russia-Ukraine war, Putin has to convince the Russians of the need to bear even more sacrifices in order to maintain popular support for the war in Ukraine. Putin achieved this by appealing to two primordial fears of the Russian people: invasion from the West and chaos.

    In his address on Saturday, the capstone of this whole charade, Putin asserted that the West was behind Prigozhin mutiny, which he likened to the 1917 revolution. As Putin knows, if you want to scare a Russian, tell them they are going to go through the horror and disorder of the Bolshevik revolution again. These claims became the pretext for Putin to gain more power, not less. He declared a "counter-terrorism operation," effectively marshal law, requiring extreme security measures, including constant monitoring of citizens communications. And he reversed the rule that prohibited people with a criminal record from joining the military, which will enable additional military mobilization.

    And the Russian media predictably cheered the dear leader for saving Mother Russia and "chasing away" the traitors.

    Of course, what Russians view as strength—Putin was able to squash a major armed mutiny—Western media and Biden's "experts" interpreted as weakness. And this, too, is as Putin wants it. The perception in the West that he is weak and his military is incompetent suggests that the West need not provide so much assistance to Ukraine, a key goal of Putin's.

    Putin is also reminding the world that the longer the Ukraine war continues, the greater the chance for unpredictable consequences, like, say, nuclear Armageddon. As Prigozhin's troops rolled up the M4 highway to Moscow, commentators fretted about the chaos and who was in control of Russia's nukes.

    There's an entire doctrine in the Russian military science called Reflexive Control, which is designed to trick the enemy by serving him information he is likely to believe because of his pre-existing bias. Team Biden is already there.

    Meanwhile, the Wagner Group has used its trip to Moscow to land itself in Belarus, which just received a gift of tactical nuclear weapons from Putin. This points to yet another potential goal of the false flag operation: opening a second front to Ukraine's north while directly threatening NATO's eastern flank with the weapons of Armageddon. This time, Putin is doing it with Russia's most effective fighting force.

    Think about it: An army invades Russia, race right up to Moscow, and no one gets hurt? With just a few thousand men, it achieved what Hitler with almost a million men wasn't able to? And Putin holds his military back? And then, with Moscow supposedly within his grasp, Prigozhin decides, "Oh well, never mind" and heads to Belarus?
     
    #150     Jul 1, 2023