VXX a good buy at current levels?

Discussion in 'ETFs' started by mramaswamy1, Jun 17, 2012.

  1. Look over in the Options forum, there was a long thread on the VIX. Atticus, at a time when the term structure was just as steep, suggested shorting the options on the futures, and hedging with SPY puts.
    I put this on at that time and it wound up making money on both sides of the trade. Started this up again last week, shorting Sept and to a lesser extent Oct, hedged with SPY/SPX put spreads. We'll see how it works out. Will close out/modify when VXV is back to within one std of its normal relationship with the VIX, or by Labor Day, whichever comes first.
    So the idea is to short that term structure but hedge it to keep the risk from a blowout to something reasonable. But going short XIV just because the level of the VIX is low, without looking at the term structure of VIX, is just amateurish.
     
    #141     Aug 20, 2012
  2. Just fine, thanks for asking. Have you looked at DJP lately?
     
    #142     Aug 20, 2012
  3. Interesting... Amatuerish would be right.. just trade in the futures and in options..
     
    #143     Aug 20, 2012
  4. imo there are too many uncertainties in VXX/XIV to go long or short

    if you go long you are implicitly short barclays credit risk because if VIX really goes up a lot you know barclays will be in trouble

    if you go short you run the risk that ishares will halt creation units creating a massive short squeeze like the one that happened in TVIX in february

    these products are too unreliable and untested to depend on imo. look at a long-term chart of VIX going back to its inception. You will notice that since 2008 we've been in a unique risk-on/risk-off roller coaster in VIX. This will not always be the case. The regime will change. Maybe it will transition to the mid 00s when vol was in the low teens for years. Maybe it will transition to 2007/early 2008 when vol steadily climbed instead of spiking (that would have seriously crushed any VXX shorts, as the roll yield was reasonably positive but still you hemorrhaged money every month)

    id rather trade delta one stuff instead of these crazy products
     
    #144     Aug 20, 2012
  5. these products make money for themsevles.. and you pay for it .. as they go to zero you lose money in overhead fees and roll cost..
     
    #145     Aug 20, 2012
  6. #146     Aug 20, 2012
  7. if bullish on VXX, one guru has a strat where he goes long a VXX call and then sells ATM wkly calls against it to cover the loss due to the contango roll while waiting for a move up. he uses a ratio of only selling 50% of the number of short contracts against the long contracts
     
    #147     Aug 20, 2012
  8. Thats ratio backspreading... Sell the closer to the moneys buy twice as many or some ratio of otm's thats the best way to get long expouser without getting ripped down due to roll cost.. Cause you know alal things being equal roll cost is gonna be killing ya. .
     
    #148     Aug 20, 2012
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    #149     Aug 20, 2012
  10. I guess I'll just have to be satisfied being a poor ole amateur then.

    wake me up when tshtf: Till then I'm comfortable with my short of xiv.
     
    #150     Aug 21, 2012