VRX restating earnings...BLATANT frontrunning

Discussion in 'Stocks' started by Clubber Lang, Feb 22, 2016.

  1. S2007S

    S2007S



    So it looks like $50+ is back on the table
     
    #51     Mar 15, 2016
  2. Daal

    Daal

    I think, it looks to me that one or two of the big holders decided to bail so they just smacked everything. Hard to know though.
     
    #52     Mar 15, 2016
  3. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Not anymore...
     
    #53     Mar 15, 2016
  4. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    I think someone might be required to sell as the company could be in technical default. The earnings sucked (if that was going to be a surprise) but they can still clean up all the debt they have due through 2020 if they can keep their revs flat from here (which is an *if*).
     
    #54     Mar 15, 2016
  5. destriero

    destriero


    No warning on the restatement... but then, this was THE warning. A bunch of buy-side knowing that they can't own something in a technical default, as you state.
     
    #55     Mar 15, 2016
  6. Daal

    Daal

    The bonds seemed to be down anywhere from -3% to -13%. Most were down 7% or less. So yeah, this looks like capitulation or forced selling by some of the big funds on the stock side. You would expect the bonds to be down more on real bk risk
     
    #56     Mar 15, 2016
  7. I can't easily see the live yields, but 5y CDS appears to be at 721bps, up arnd 141.5 points on the day.
     
    #57     Mar 15, 2016
  8. Daal

    Daal

    What is the increase in the implied default probability? certainly seems less than the impression you would get by looking at the stock
     
    #58     Mar 15, 2016
  9. destriero

    destriero

    The CDS were at 250bp in July.
     
    #59     Mar 15, 2016
  10. destriero

    destriero


    You have to approximate the recovery-rate. It makes the prob hard to calc. I would think the recovery rate is North of 40%.

    Prob of Y1 default = yield on VRX bonds over RFR / (1 - recorate)

    You can solve for it with the CDS, but you still need the recorate.
     
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    #60     Mar 15, 2016