VRX restating earnings...BLATANT frontrunning

Discussion in 'Stocks' started by Clubber Lang, Feb 22, 2016.

  1. Daal

    Daal

    This restatement looks meaningless
    "Correcting the misstatements is expected to reduce reported 2014 GAAP EPS by approximately $0.10 and increase 2015 GAAP EPS by approximately $0.09"

    It has little or no impact of things going forward. If thats the type of thing the adhoc committee is going to be finding then that's GOOD news
     
    #11     Feb 23, 2016
  2. Zestilio

    Zestilio

    eyeing short opp
     
    #12     Feb 23, 2016
  3. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    I don't know what their covenants state, but the company generates 50% operating margins and 75% gross margins. Even if sales fall they will be able to cover their interest payments and they have no debt due until 2018. The concern is the ability to pay down the debt. If they can stabilize the business and PR issues, I think this stock is worth 110 if not, then it goes to 40.

    It's definitely not for the faint of heart.
     
    #13     Feb 23, 2016
  4. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    was that from reddit also?
     
    #14     Feb 23, 2016
  5. No, reddit has higher standards... "Eyeing" gives him the option of later claiming to have sold the top tick.
     
    #15     Feb 23, 2016
  6. destriero

    destriero

    Last edited: Feb 23, 2016
    #16     Feb 23, 2016
  7. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    I will read the article later (as it involves a login) but this is what I saw in BBG for T12M

    (in billions)

    10 Revs
    2.5 COGS
    7.5 Gross Profit
    2.7 Operating Expenses and expensed R&D
    2 Depreciation
    2.5 in Operating income

    ebitda of just under 5Bn and capex of about 200MM make FCF (pre-tax and pre interest expense) of 4.8Bn. It's not quite the 3x. But there's margin of safety.

    I think the market is expecting a downgrade as bonds are trading at 9%ish yield. The company does have a lot of rho exposure but that's years away. The equity call option has a lot of vol here. If the perception changes to that they can stop the bleeding and just maintain their current revs at current margins I think the stock can easily be worth 110.
     
    #17     Feb 23, 2016
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  8. 5% up today pretty weird move.
     
    #18     Feb 23, 2016
  9. OptionGuru

    OptionGuru


    Not weird. It's known as Volatility.



    :)
     
    #19     Feb 23, 2016
  10. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    there was fear that there was going to be significant restatement of earnings related to philidor (or whatever) and it turned out not to be meaningful. short squeeze.
     
    #20     Feb 23, 2016