Volatility trading IS directional

Discussion in 'Options' started by TheBigShort, May 23, 2018.

  1. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    I would tend to agree that volatility strategies are capital inefficient. It used to be that there was a lot of edge in typical vol strategies but most of it went away when market access improved and computation costs came down.
     
    #21     May 24, 2018
  2. Taken to the n'th degree, does that mean the future is zero volatility and perfect efficiency in markets with zero spread ? :sneaky:
     
    #22     May 24, 2018
  3. TheBigShort

    TheBigShort

    When you say forward vol. Do you mean future implied vol? Because realized vol would hurt a calendar spread
     
    #23     May 24, 2018
  4. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Yes. For example the expected 3month implied vol 3 months from now
     
    #24     May 24, 2018
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  5. TheBigShort

    TheBigShort

    newwurld. Right now AAPL front month has really low vol against the DJX. The spread is at the lower bound. How can I go about trading this if I think there will be an increase in the spread. Should I buy a calendar on AAPL and sell a calendar on DJX?
     
    #25     May 24, 2018
  6. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Buy Apple vol and sell djx vol. you could do it as a calendar or two straddles.
     
    #26     May 24, 2018

    • GOOGL also has low volatility - might be lower than AAPL.
    • GOOGL is also well below its all time high - while AAPL is close to its all time high.
    • IMO ..... GOOGL has more upside than AAPL.
     
    #27     May 24, 2018
  7. ironchef

    ironchef

    Agree.

    Today yes, a month ago, no.

    Timing is everything.

    By the way, your long OTM strategy is very interesting, again, timing is important?o_O
     
    #28     May 24, 2018
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  9. rvince99

    rvince99

    Careful with that axe, Eugene. It depends on the time window one uses to measure the correlation. The shorter the time frame, the more that the correlation flips--goes positive for short periods of time. These have historically marked good interim turning point s in the markets, and might be used as a basis for putting on your strategy.
     
    #30     May 26, 2018