VIX-Trading. What is the best way to make money?

Discussion in 'Options' started by gg12, Feb 26, 2007.

  1. sellvol

    sellvol

    Decay is meaningless in the vix ops. You should be looking at the vix term structure or the vol of vol. If i understand your style correctly you are betting on index vols not decay. Which is essentially a long/short index bet. Might as well sell/buy vol outright then mess with the vix ops.

    If its positive theta you are after you should be long the convergence via long calendars/diagonals. Good luck.
     
    #81     May 18, 2007
  2. gg12

    gg12

    Thank you sellvol!

    What I am doing is very similar to selling a straddle on SPX.

    The only difference is that the VIX can't go to zero nor it can go to infinity.

    That mean reverting makes the unique value for the VIX options.
    In addition: Where do you have 70+ volatility on an instrument.

    Today for a moment I thougt focussing solely on that market. It's the crown market, the most sophistic market around.

    What do you think?
     
    #82     May 18, 2007
  3. artes

    artes

    Great!
    It cant go below 10 or 9.... it can go to 16, 20 or 40 sometime to 70...
    It is like a superb safety.
    Keep going!
     
    #83     May 18, 2007
  4. opt789

    opt789

    gg12,
    Do you understand the extreme risk you are taking by selling naked calls on the VIX? I realize it is unlikely, but the risk is there nonetheless. Your stop order is completely meaningless if something like 9-11 happens and the market gaps down. If you are naked short the 16 calls and the VIX gaps to 50, like is has before, then you will lose $3400 per contract. If you sell it for 1.35 every month then if you have one serious event in 25 months you will end up down money overall.
     
    #84     May 19, 2007
  5. artes

    artes

    You are right Opt.

    It's more safe to sell put when the VIB [VIX on VX] is very low.
     
    #85     May 19, 2007
  6. gg12

    gg12

    opt789,

    You are right with your warning about selling naked calls (or puts) and it's no longer possible to make money management. A panic can destroy the account and even swap out into other assets.

    "Worst" case (based on 13 years historical data of the VXO) there would be a peak to, say, of 60 - 70 points. But it could be also a peak to 100+ points. That's a huge risk and one can tend to ignore it, since we saw only max. 20 point extremes in the short past.

    That's the reason why I am doing only a few contracts.

    To deal with big gaps I could buy higher strike calls to protect my downside.
     
    #86     May 20, 2007
  7. artes

    artes

    GG
    Yes , You will be able to buy five or six of highest strike / And to sell ONLY three against them.

    REMEMBER: Variation of highest - Will be weaker than bottoms.
    Be care with the slippage, and the difference of delta.

    May it would be needed to trade actively the bottom of the leg.
    To offset the price of higher calls.
    To keep constantly the higher SAME MONTH calls in guarantee into the account.

    And to close all, six days before expiry. At the best price, Each leg separately. They are not naked any more. It is reassuring. Which will be the cost? That can be very pretty and gaining

    Your maximum loss would be the difference of strike more slippage.

    Which are currently volumes of these derived products?

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=^VIX&t=my&l=off&z=l&q=c&c= [During ten years, the variation was between twenty and forty - 20/40 !] - http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=^VIX&a=00&b=2&c=1980&d=04&e=20&f=2007&g=m -

    Thank you to make any comment!
     
    #87     May 20, 2007
  8. gg12

    gg12

    Thank you artes!

    I've made some analysis about the VIX over the last 3 years (see attached graphics).

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    VIX 3 years 2 point grid

    I found a system which I call VIX2_3x3

    VIX
    2 point grid (=1 unit)
    Scalp 3 units
    x apply your personal money management stop
    3 Trailing limit to cash in profit
     
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    #88     May 20, 2007
  9. artes

    artes

    The VX future is not a spot of VIX index.

    The VX future is an expected value of the "¨VIX" calculation based one day after future expiration, the 16th of each month.

    The VIX can move and the VX future not. Or reverse.

    Each month of VX future will be very different in value at the same time.

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    #89     May 20, 2007
  10. gg12

    gg12

    #90     May 20, 2007